How I broke the 500 foot barrier

[Dan Ensor]

Distance comps always have deflated distances. It's the equivalent of the half-court shot at half-time. They're throwing shots that go badly 9/10 times. Lizotte probably put a 525' hyzer out there on his first shot, just to make sure he got some money.

 

[Pbmercil]

Couldn't the same be said about you? Aren't you getting butthurt about us getting butthurt?

Not really. Just making an observation.


Another obsrvation about threads like these; it seems like the degree of skepticism is inversely proportional to the posters distance. Most of the guys who can throw decently far aren't nearly as shocked when someone says they throw 500.

 

[Pbmercil]

What I'm starting to realize is that all the instruction, technique refinement and practice doesn't guarantee breaking the 500 or even 400 ft mark. Some folks are just not athletic enough, don't have the required physiology, are too old, whatever; they are NEVER going to get there. Think of it this way - could a professional pitching coach can take any Joe or Jane off the street and teach then to throw 100+ mph fastballs.

I get what your saying and pretty much agree with you. I do think tho that with the availability of lightweight under stable warp speed drivers the vast majority of players can at least get to 400 If they put the work in, age/sex/physical limitations aside.

 

[Shamis]

Congrats, and thanks for the explanation. Will have to try it out soon.

And yeah, I know a guy who throws 500 feet. His putting game is bad, he's only rated like 950.

EDIT: just tried the motion in my office. I get what you are saying. Seems promising.

 

[Chiefstang]

I think anyone who says they broke 500 foot is usually wrong on correct measurement, flat ground, little to no wind, etc.

So yes I'm a naysayer because I know to much. So for now on if you post this statement "" please provide a video.

500' isn't even that far anymore.

Where's the video?

Sorry folks, if you want to puff your chest out and say how great you are-I might be inclined to give you a dose of reality from time to time!

As far as I know OP noob hyzers a boss 200'. I do know one thing though, if I just work around the disc I can throw this plastic over that mountain.

Couldn't the same be said about you? Aren't you getting butthurt about us getting butthurt?

The usual suspects!

Q: What's more pathetic than a career internet troll?

A: A career internet troll on a disc golf forum!

Get a life fellas.

 

[Dan Ensor]

Congrats, and thanks for the explanation. Will have to try it out soon.

And yeah, I know a guy who throws 500 feet. His putting game is bad, he's only rated like 950.

EDIT: just tried the motion in my office. I get what you are saying. Seems promising.

This is why I dislike all the hating. I don't care if this guy threw a 200' noob hyzer. It was his longest throw to date, he knows what he changed, and he's giving us valuable insight; not necessarily in technique (we know to work around the disc), but in perception! The exact reason we don't make mandatory minimum posts, years playing, verified certification of DG coaching, etc. We want to hear EVERYONE'S experiences. He didn't just tell someone how to throw farther. He told us how to tell people to throw farther.

But w/e. You guys want to try to rain on a parade, you're beating your head against a wall. He's going to go throw 500' tomorrow and remember why your words didn't bother him. And you're not going to feel any better about your lack of commitment that ultimately determined your distance barrier.

 

[lyleoross]

I still remember when a local Houston Pro made a 1,000 foot throw. It was awesome, or at least I hear. I wasn't there. He tossed it off the rim of the Grand Canyon; heard it went for ever. Guy never did win a tournament though....

 

[Shamis]

This is why I dislike all the hating. I don't care if this guy threw a 200' noob hyzer. It was his longest throw to date, he knows what he changed, and he's giving us valuable insight; not necessarily in technique (we know to work around the disc), but in perception! The exact reason we don't make mandatory minimum posts, years playing, verified certification of DG coaching, etc. We want to hear EVERYONE'S experiences. He didn't just tell someone how to throw farther. He told us how to tell people to throw farther.

But w/e. You guys want to try to rain on a parade, you're beating your head against a wall. He's going to go throw 500' tomorrow and remember why your words didn't bother him. And you're not going to feel any better about your lack of commitment that ultimately determined your distance barrier.

I think maybe you misread my post, I wasn't trying to rain on his parade at all.

 

[lyleoross]

BTW - I don't think I'd call it hating, more likely it's a generational difference. There are a couple of great studies on it now. Many work places now have these employee of the month things. There's a write up, and a pat on the back, sometimes a little trophy. It turns out that if you don't do it for those under 35, that they become semi-listless. Their production goes down, and they get depressed. For those over 40 there is a "say what" moment. Followed by an "it's my job" moment. They find the constant need for affirmation and the constant need to show you've done something kind of a waste of time. Their reply is, "do your job." It's a tad like the missed ace thread. A missed ace is just a throw. Heck, every time I throw, I missed the ace.

Some say this comes of the years of, "oh look, Johnny got a trophy in soccer" phenomenon. When all Johnny did was pick flowers on the field for thirty minutes. There's another great study and it turns out those trophies are worthless, they don't actually motivate or accomplish anything. It turns out they have to have meaning. You have to have actually accomplished something for you to care about the trophy.

Now of course these are pretty large generalizations, but the studies are quite clear, as are the results. Nonetheless, I'm sure that there are huge swaths from each generation that don't fit the mold. But honestly speaking, a 500 foot throw, real or not, doesn't mean much to me. Neither does an ace, most divisional wins don't mean much to me either. But then, I never got a trophy for playing baseball, soccer, or running throughout high school and college. I did once get voted most obnoxious, that one I earned, and I still remember it fondly.

 

[Dan Ensor]

I think maybe you misread my post, I wasn't trying to rain on his parade at all.

No, I was using your post as an example of the value of threads like these.

 

[IllustratorVir]

Holy cow, I always thought they were always actively reaching back! But now that I look at the throws from the side, there is no denying it. The disc is, pretty much, in the same general area until the pull through.

 

[Dan Ensor]

BTW - I don't think I'd call it hating, more likely it's a generational difference. There are a couple of great studies on it now. Many work places now have these employee of the month things. There's a write up, and a pat on the back, sometimes a little trophy. It turns out that if you don't do it for those under 35, that they become semi-listless. Their production goes down, and they get depressed. For those over 40 there is a "say what" moment. Followed by an "it's my job" moment. They find the constant need for affirmation and the constant need to show you've done something kind of a waste of time. Their reply is, "do your job." It's a tad like the missed ace thread. A missed ace is just a throw. Heck, every time I throw, I missed the ace.

Some say this comes of the years of, "oh look, Johnny got a trophy in soccer" phenomenon. When all Johnny did was pick flowers on the field for thirty minutes. There's another great study and it turns out those trophies are worthless, they don't actually motivate or accomplish anything. It turns out they have to have meaning. You have to have actually accomplished something for you to care about the trophy.

Now of course these are pretty large generalizations, but the studies are quite clear, as are the results. Nonetheless, I'm sure that there are huge swaths from each generation that don't fit the mold. But honestly speaking, a 500 foot throw, real or not, doesn't mean much to me. Neither does an ace, most divisional wins don't mean much to me either. But then, I never got a trophy for playing baseball, soccer, or running throughout high school and college. I did once get voted most obnoxious, that one I earned, and I still remember it fondly.

An explanation of the path to his 500' throw is looking for a pat on the back?

How do those 40+ people feel about getting a raise? See, they've just been around long enough to know that a trophy is your boss's replacement for a raise, and you can't eat a trophy.

 

[KniceZ]

I get what your saying and pretty much agree with you. I do think tho that with the availability of lightweight under stable warp speed drivers the vast majority of players can at least get to 400 If they put the work in, age/sex/physical limitations aside.

I know I've seen multiple polls on this topic but I can't find them in a quick search. But here's one I did find. It's pretty old so bump the distances for newer discs.

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=100

Maybe it's a matter of most people not putting in the work but I highly doubt that a "vast majority" can get to 400.

 

[hook_nuts]

The usual suspects!

Q: What's more pathetic than a career internet troll?

A: A career internet troll on a disc golf forum!

Get a life fellas.

Hmm, how'd I troll? Your life seems to be obsessing about how people post on a disc golf forum. Cringeworthy. Why so serious?

500' isn't so long it's unbelievable. Without seeing proof who knows maybe he throws 200'. He doesn't have to convince me though I could care less because I can throw the plastic over the mountains. Get over it and try to lead a normal life creep.

 

[Hyzenberg]

Holy cow, I always thought they were always actively reaching back! But now that I look at the throws from the side, there is no denying it. The disc is, pretty much, in the same general area until the pull through.

This has been my major problem, I was...er.. I am still actively reaching back, which kills all the momentum from my x-step. This has been my main focus during field work this week, but for some reason I cannot get the timing right or I default back to the active reach back.

 

[John Q. Public]

I anxiously await a grainy video where we can't even see the flight.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Gregory Bateson was famous for studying this type of communication pattern, as it can be very harmful to a developing brain.

 

[IllustratorVir]

This has been my major problem, I was...er.. I am still actively reaching back, which kills all the momentum from my x-step. This has been my main focus during field work this week, but for some reason I cannot get the timing right or I default back to the active reach back.

I think this thread is timely for me at the moment, because I am trying to develop a reach back... by actively reaching back! I will have to give this a shot. Right now, its tough to get my head around without going to try it. Here is to hopin!

 

[IllustratorVir]

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Gregory Bateson was famous for studying this type of communication pattern, as it can be very harmful to a developing brain.

Forget the nay-sayers. I am excited to try this. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Hyzenberg]

Regardless, if you threw 300 ft or 480 ft it doesn't matter to me. If you feel like you accomplished or improved upon your form this week, awesome!

I know I took something away from this and I think it's going to improve my form.

 

[John Q. Public]

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Results
Distance Competition
Division Name PDGA # Distance Rank Prize
Open Women Paige Pierce 29190 414 1 $50
Open Women Lori Merriman 35616 333 2 $30
Open Women Maria Montano 51608 297 3

I remember this chart. It pissed me off! I was barely hitting 330 ft at the time.
Paige Pierce helped me get to 400.