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The flex-shot and an s-curve shot are the same thing right?
The flex-shot and an s-curve shot are the same thing right? It makes sense, now that I think about it, that the s-curve would be what I experience, so now I have another question. I have thrown s-curves/flex shots (assuming those are the same thing.. if not I might be in more trouble...) with (more) under stable discs before, but have never really tried with with (less under/more over) stable discs before, because I have a hard enough time throwing a disc flat RHBH, so I have ventured into the world of anny. If I throw a FH or a BH anny, with an overstable disc, it will it hold the anny line throughout the HSS portion of its flight, and then it will s-curve back in the fade. So would a disc with more glide to it (does glide come from dome? The specifics of discs obviously allude me...) fade out flatter and theoretically fly farther than a disc that doesn't have the same glide and starts to fade and kind of knives into the ground?
The confusion arises from the term 'overstable' which sound like the opposite of understable when, in fact, a disc can only be more or less understable - there is no overstable. It sometimes looks like overstable is a 'thing' because a disc with minimal understability thrown with insufficient speed will fade almost immediately without ever getting high speed turn. It also looks like overstability when a disc has monster fade. Stability (Turn) goes from zero (minimal understability) to -5, (maximum understability). There is no overstability. Anyone pitching a disc with a +1 or higher Turn is selling snakeoil.
Yes, I understand the physics involved in a disc's flight. I also understand common sense. I applaud you for assuming I knew neither.
Anybody that's thrown a disc more than a few times understands what you're laying out. You can stop trying to sound like the smartest guy in the room now.
Then don't ask questions you don't want the answer to. Or would that be too smart a thing to do? Starting to think it may be.
I didn't see a question asked in his post.
Man, so many people have no idea what they are talking about on here.
You raised the question as to whether I knew what I was talking about or if I wasn't explaining what I meant. Not technically in the form of a question, but a question nonetheless. And with that last nod to how juvenile this argument has become, I'm out a here. Wow.
So the S-curve should be the natural flight of an under stable disc that hasn't had its fade beaten out of it, while the flex shot is using an OS disc on an anny release to accomplish a similar flight path.
Since they have similar flight paths (not identical ones), I would assume the flex shot is ideal for a shot with a closer obstacle that can be cleared using the anny release, and then let it flex back around the obstacle, while the s-curve shot with an US disc would be more of a distance grab/avoiding late flight obstacles?
I have a "stable" disc, it flies fairly straight for me.
I have an "understable" disc, it flies a bit to the right for me.
I have an "overstable" disc, it turns left for me.
I have a very "overstable" disc, it turns left very hard for me.
I have a very "understable" disc, it turns to the right hard for me and sometimes rolls very far.
There...now anyone at any educational level can understand stability.
Oh, you must be left handed.
This thread has made it way too far.
I understand what you're asking. To answer your question, not really. Think of disc flight as two phases:
1. High speed turn
2. Low speed fade
High speed turn is a gauge on how much turn a disc will have with different release speeds (assuming constant spin). A more understable disc will turn more, a more stable disc is more resistant to turn. A lot of your overstable discs that you forehand are resistant to turn.
Low speed fade is what happens to a disc once it runs out of spin... A disc with a lot of low speed fade will want to find the ground fast and will begin to nose dive (thus changing the angle of the disc, which takes it in the specified direction aka fade). A disc with little low speed fade tends to stay pretty neutral and not change angles as much which would cause it to not deviate from trajectory as much when it runs out of spin.
So back to your point... Yes, you can release a less stable disc on a hyzer and have the high speed turn cause it to flip to flat and go straight. No, you cant throw a more overstable disc on an anhyzer and have it "anhyzer flip" to straight because, as we mentioned, those discs are RESISTANT to turn, thus they hold the initial angle of release. What will happen with the more overstable disc is the low speed fade will kick in sooner which will pull the disc out of the anhyzer release, but it will also cause it to continue changing angles as it fades and finds the ground. You will get an S-flight pattern instead of a straight pattern.
Hope that helped.
I have a "stable" disc, it flies fairly straight for me.
I have an "understable" disc, it flies a bit to the right for me.
I have an "overstable" disc, it turns left for me.
I have a very "overstable" disc, it turns left very hard for me.
I have a very "understable" disc, it turns to the right hard for me and sometimes rolls very far.
There...now anyone at any educational level can understand stability.
Im probably going to catch alot of sh!t for this, but im gonna say, yes. In fact i do it all the time. I only drive RHFH and i can release an understable disc on a hyzer angle and let its understability flip it flat for a perfectly straight line. Its the exact same mechanics just facing the other direction.
I can do the same. It's not a reversed hyzer flip. It's still just a hyzer flip.
Hyzer is relative to the direction of spin of the disc. Therefore what counts as hyzer gets redefined when the disc spins the other way due to throwing LHBH/RHFH. Still a plain hyzer flip.
Hyzer flip is really about the roll axis of the disc in flight. Starts angled one way, rolls to parallel to the ground, rolls beyond that parallel angle, stalls, then comes back toward the starting angle.