Zanguini
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This was a discussion in the SFO page So why Do you like Jomez?
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Why Do You Like Jomez?
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Dire Wolfy
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Because it's jomez
Everything they do is very high quality. I think what puts it over the top is the commentary. If you haven't played the course, it provides a lot of insight into how a hole plays over what can be visually gleaned from a fly by and shot from the tee box. Some of the other videos provide decent commentary, but the fact the commentary for Jomez is usually from top level pros who have played the course earlier in the day makes it especially insightful.
notroman
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This needs to be a "select all that apply" since I'd pick the top 3.
brutalbrutus
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Why Do You Like Jomez? I cant help myself, he is just a sexy dude...
Everything about the jomez videos is an order of magnitude better than anybody else. The video quality is better, the editing is better, the slomez and follow flights are great, the commentary is mostly well done. I also really like the drone flyovers for every hole, and they manage to do all of this and edit it in such a way that allows you to see all the action in the shortest amount of time possible.
Grippenripp
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Shoukd have been an all of the above. I like CCDG equally though. Not a fan of live coverage be it via Smashboxxx or DGPT.
brutalbrutus
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DGPT is Smashboxx.
Future_Primitive
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Other = The total package/all the above
Catch Cam.
Every budding dg production platform should look at Jomez as the standard. Like everyone here has said, all aspects are well done.
There is one component that leverages top value for me: the catch cam. I've seen other productions fail miserably at capturing the tail end of shots. After having seen what can be done with Jomez and how well they catch the lays, it's hard to watch anything else.
Every budding dg production platform should look at Jomez as the standard. Like everyone here has said, all aspects are well done.
There is one component that leverages top value for me: the catch cam. I've seen other productions fail miserably at capturing the tail end of shots. After having seen what can be done with Jomez and how well they catch the lays, it's hard to watch anything else.
Cgkdisc
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I answered "Other" since I don't think I've watched any of his or other post produced videos. But I'm glad as a DG promoter that he and others are producing quality tournament videos. So tip of the cap to them. I've definitely seen some clips of his when a poster linked to a point in the video where something special happened (ace, rules violation).
On the other hand, I've watched most of the live videos while they were live and multi-tasked doing other things at the same time. Never watched a full replay of a live video but have also looked at key clips, again when someone posted a link to some action.
On the other hand, I've watched most of the live videos while they were live and multi-tasked doing other things at the same time. Never watched a full replay of a live video but have also looked at key clips, again when someone posted a link to some action.
The top-notch production values and superior camera work do it for me. Also, I thought everybody loved BigSexy but apparently not? I think they provide the perfect level of commentary for where our game is at -- fun, knowledgeable, and professional enough to be listenable without being stiff. They make the video feel like a DVD commentary, which I enjoy. It makes me feel like part of the action more than a milquetoast play-by-play call.
If we're framing this as Jomez vs. CCDG, I prefer Jomez because of the scoring graphic that pops up after every putt out. It may seem simple, but if I'm not paying laser-focused attention to the video I prefer the instant feedback of everyone's scores as they finish. This beats the end-of-hole CCDG card graphic by a mile, IMHO.
If we're framing this as Jomez vs. CCDG, I prefer Jomez because of the scoring graphic that pops up after every putt out. It may seem simple, but if I'm not paying laser-focused attention to the video I prefer the instant feedback of everyone's scores as they finish. This beats the end-of-hole CCDG card graphic by a mile, IMHO.
VictorB
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because disc golf
lyleoross
* Ace Member *
I like all disc golf videography companies. Some are better, like Spin, Smash, Jomez and CCDG, but they all bring value. What sets these four groups above is commentary. If you break it down, there is a lot of commentary now available, but none are as good as these four. I feel bad for Jamie and Avery because they were at the low end of this pool and it hurt them. But this pool was a full notch above everything else available.
Big Jerm and Nate. For me, these guys are a mixed bag. I like their general style of talking and they are quite relaxed and smooth, it's a pleasant listen. But sometimes there is a bit too much of the following:
Jokes: Jerm leads in this category. Occasional Jokes are fine, but it doesn't need to be a joke per hole. It helps if the joke pertains to the situation, hole, or event. Last year, there was less of this, it is a pretty recent phenomena. In other words, last year this pair was better IMO. I can't decide if boredom set in, or there was a worry that there wasn't enough entertainment? If you're doing something well, you don't have to add a ton to it.
Complaining: Again, Jerm leads here. Neither the holes nor the baskets are there to make the player's life easy. They are what they are. Even if I go with the notion that the basket should catch everything thrown at it, I don't want to hear about it every time. Tis okay to say bummer, or oh that stunk, but the implied comment that there is something wrong with the basket gets old, even if every type of basket gets called out. But when a rank amateur, such as myself, can see a pro throw too hard, or too high, earning a bounce out, and then I get a, "there's something wrong with the basket," comment every time, it gets tiresome. Especially when it happens only to a few players. Since everyone else can get it done, they should be able to also. Holes, yep, some are bad, although I never hear any complaints about wackingly easy holes, just ones that are too technical. Everyone plays the same holes. If you really want to have a discussion, then talk about whether the hole is random or not. If the hole exceeds the capability of a highly accomplished and "on" player to hit the gaps, then yes, the hole is too technical.
Stats, actually, Jerm is doing fewer stats this year. I'd rather have the stats. If Jerm likes stats, and they rock his boat, then he should do them. You're gonna do a better job if it's something that moves you. I thought it smart of him to go digging into the stats last year. It made him the straight guy, and Nate the lighter guy. Jerm as the straight guy, with his natural tendency to joke, meant fewer jokes, but the ones he rolled into were better for me. If some find the stats boring, then maybe Jerm can think about different twists or angles that keep them fresh. Maybe even do a poll to find out what stats have the most value for the listeners?
As a comparison, Ian and Cory give more color, so do Jamie and Avery. But they have a distinct advantage, they taint playin'. Learning the names of spotters, discs thrown, why the designer built the hole in a particular way. All that takes time and effort that a player doesn't have and would be foolish to take. Given the limitation in time, Nate and Jerm do pretty darned good. But it might behoove them to spend some time watching Cory and Ian, just as a "there's a different way to do it" exercise.
To restate, Jerm and Nate are very good, but I feel they lost a bit this year.
In general, a conversation about what is going on is the best for me - no, not everyone is going to want the same thing, thank Zeus. I've written this before, filler isn't necessary, you don't have to talk constantly to keep me entertained; sometimes a throw or putt is quite entertaining enough.
Big Jerm and Nate. For me, these guys are a mixed bag. I like their general style of talking and they are quite relaxed and smooth, it's a pleasant listen. But sometimes there is a bit too much of the following:
Jokes: Jerm leads in this category. Occasional Jokes are fine, but it doesn't need to be a joke per hole. It helps if the joke pertains to the situation, hole, or event. Last year, there was less of this, it is a pretty recent phenomena. In other words, last year this pair was better IMO. I can't decide if boredom set in, or there was a worry that there wasn't enough entertainment? If you're doing something well, you don't have to add a ton to it.
Complaining: Again, Jerm leads here. Neither the holes nor the baskets are there to make the player's life easy. They are what they are. Even if I go with the notion that the basket should catch everything thrown at it, I don't want to hear about it every time. Tis okay to say bummer, or oh that stunk, but the implied comment that there is something wrong with the basket gets old, even if every type of basket gets called out. But when a rank amateur, such as myself, can see a pro throw too hard, or too high, earning a bounce out, and then I get a, "there's something wrong with the basket," comment every time, it gets tiresome. Especially when it happens only to a few players. Since everyone else can get it done, they should be able to also. Holes, yep, some are bad, although I never hear any complaints about wackingly easy holes, just ones that are too technical. Everyone plays the same holes. If you really want to have a discussion, then talk about whether the hole is random or not. If the hole exceeds the capability of a highly accomplished and "on" player to hit the gaps, then yes, the hole is too technical.
Stats, actually, Jerm is doing fewer stats this year. I'd rather have the stats. If Jerm likes stats, and they rock his boat, then he should do them. You're gonna do a better job if it's something that moves you. I thought it smart of him to go digging into the stats last year. It made him the straight guy, and Nate the lighter guy. Jerm as the straight guy, with his natural tendency to joke, meant fewer jokes, but the ones he rolled into were better for me. If some find the stats boring, then maybe Jerm can think about different twists or angles that keep them fresh. Maybe even do a poll to find out what stats have the most value for the listeners?
As a comparison, Ian and Cory give more color, so do Jamie and Avery. But they have a distinct advantage, they taint playin'. Learning the names of spotters, discs thrown, why the designer built the hole in a particular way. All that takes time and effort that a player doesn't have and would be foolish to take. Given the limitation in time, Nate and Jerm do pretty darned good. But it might behoove them to spend some time watching Cory and Ian, just as a "there's a different way to do it" exercise.
To restate, Jerm and Nate are very good, but I feel they lost a bit this year.
In general, a conversation about what is going on is the best for me - no, not everyone is going to want the same thing, thank Zeus. I've written this before, filler isn't necessary, you don't have to talk constantly to keep me entertained; sometimes a throw or putt is quite entertaining enough.
Pot, meet kettle.
rocthecourse
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Jomez is just more watchable than any of the other disc golf videos.
I hope they can make enough money to add a second camera crew to get 2nd card coverage or FPO lead card(with Madison Walker as a commentator.)
I hope they can make enough money to add a second camera crew to get 2nd card coverage or FPO lead card(with Madison Walker as a commentator.)
lyleoross
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I, I didn't know I was supposed to be keeping you entertained. Oh wow, so sorry dude.
If I was a betting man, I would bet Jomez realizes a larger company at some point is going to enter the disc golf media world and either compete with or buy up the best. Truth is, anyone can be a decent commentator, no one is going to offer any of the current disc golf commentators big bucks for their services. I could be wrong but I think Jonathan realized early on his commentary skills was not the driving force of his company and once he decided to stay behind the camera more and work on video production, the quality of their production improved rapidly. He's obviously very tech savvy and seems driven to keep his work fresh by introducing new ideas / features several times a year. The other guys are trying to play catch up, but I think that's just going to push Jomez even more.
I hate to say it because we're lucky to have Jomez sticking around our disc golf world, but you have to wonder if we'll start seeing Jomez cover more potentially profitable events in the near future? Surely if he applied his talents to Ultimate Disc, he would have a much larger base. (I just searched on "ultimate disc" from youtube and most of the results on the first page have over 170k views, some have millions, compared to the typical 20-50k they get for each video currently.) He obviously at some point needs to "cash in" on his time investment. Let's hope the disc golf world will allow that.
I hate to say it because we're lucky to have Jomez sticking around our disc golf world, but you have to wonder if we'll start seeing Jomez cover more potentially profitable events in the near future? Surely if he applied his talents to Ultimate Disc, he would have a much larger base. (I just searched on "ultimate disc" from youtube and most of the results on the first page have over 170k views, some have millions, compared to the typical 20-50k they get for each video currently.) He obviously at some point needs to "cash in" on his time investment. Let's hope the disc golf world will allow that.
The post production is my favorite aspect. I like the follow flights and the distance from pin graphics. I also like the way the score is displayed and updated after every hole-out with different colors for different scores (I.e. red, green, grey).
Often times I tune out the commentary or watch without audio, so that part is moot for me.
Often times I tune out the commentary or watch without audio, so that part is moot for me.
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