Max Distance Needed To Be 1000 Rated?

[SonicGuy]

I agree "strength" may not be the correct word. However, whatever "it" is for putting seems to be correlated with the ability to throw farther.

Except for it isn't correlated. And since we don't have data I am forced to rely on that assertion

Seriously though, anyone that thinks that putting accuracy outside the circle shares technique with distance driving is probably a poor putter and/or poor driver themselves. I just cannot see any correlation.

 

[slowplastic]

All they really need to do is get par on those long par 3's for 1000 rating. It's typically those 1020+ raters that might get decent looks to birdie those long par 3's.

That's probably true. I just get to see the top tier 1020+ guys on tourney footage rather than the closer to 1000 rated guys. And when I get to play long courses every now and then I know how I feel on some teepads that there's no way I'm getting a putt, and how many of other reachable holes I got or missed. But what I don't know, is what the 1000 rated score would be on that day.

 

[slowplastic]

If you throw 500 feet on a 325 hole you're probably not putting. Just sayin'.

Heh you know what I mean

On a 300' hole I can shank a hyzer and often still be pro-shank style parked. On a 400' hole I have to throw the best shot I can possibly execute, and feel real good about making a birdie. Someone with 450-500' can have a ton more leeway on their misses and throw a more pure line.

 

[biscoe]

I agree "strength" may not be the correct word. However, whatever "it" is for putting seems to be correlated with the ability to throw farther.

nah...Hysell used to be able to putt farther than anyone i have ever seen but he never threw more than 350 in his life.

 

[Cgkdisc]

nah...Hysell used to be able to putt farther than anyone i have ever seen but he never threw more than 350 in his life.

Anecdotal evidence much?

 

[Cgkdisc]

I agree no one has data, just their experience on this topic. My experience as a teacher, observer and player is that arm/hand strength and snap can matter in putting skill. Working with beginners, especially older players over 50, some have to go from their putting stance to a throwing stance when they're just 15 feet from the basket. Watching and talking with veteran older players, they say they have had to go to lighter putters or change their stance closer to the basket than before. I agree you may not see this difference for players being able to get to 1000 rating during their prime years. But it will start to matter more for older players who had settled on a particular style of putting, whatever that was, and they start feeling the need to get more lift from the same distance to continue success.

 

[bnbanbury]

Slowplastic raises a great point. Increasingly, TDs are making these over 500 foot par three holes. I'd hate to think that we would allow that to be the defining skill that determines a highly rated player. Can you throw 500 feet and hit a long putt? If you did, then you could make distance the most important component of the game, but it would be a pretty boring game for me.

Distance is already the single most important skill to throwing higher rated rounds. Your posts about how there are other skills needed to be a 1000 rated player are meaningless. No one is debating that but it has nothing to do with the question at all. The question is how far do you need to throw and the answer is you have to throw far or else all the other skills will not get you there.

Are there 960 rated guys who throw 450 feet? Of course. Are there 1000 rated guys who throw 350 max? No. They don't exist. If you don't meet the minimum distance threshold you will never be 1000 rated.

 

[Dire Wolfy]

If I can hit 350 I expect a pro to throw further.

 

[etdefender19]

The correct answer is 419 feet, 7 inches, regardless of how much wood (giggity) you have on the course

Any less than that and you'll never clear 1000, no matter how well you putt.

 

[Dire Wolfy]

(giggity)

Nice to see quagmire disc golfs, he seemed like a player.

 

[etdefender19]

He crushes!

 

[Dire Wolfy]

He crushes!

Lefty backhand FTW!

 

[araytx]

A better question to answer would be what do you think is the max D of the vast majority of 1000+-rated pros today? ... And by vast majority, I mean 75% or more.

 

[SonicGuy]

I agree no one has data, just their experience on this topic. My experience as a teacher, observer and player is that arm/hand strength and snap can matter in putting skill. Working with beginners, especially older players over 50, some have to go from their putting stance to a throwing stance when they're just 15 feet from the basket. Watching and talking with veteran older players, they say they have had to go to lighter putters or change their stance closer to the basket than before. I agree you may not see this difference for players being able to get to 1000 rating during their prime years. But it will start to matter more for older players who had settled on a particular style of putting, whatever that was, and they start feeling the need to get more lift from the same distance to continue success.

With all due respect, seniors are not the subject of this thread. We are not talking about how much grandpa's putting benefits from his 2.5 lb curls. We are talking about fully fit professional players. I assume they can hold a putter in their hand without effort.

Physical strength has little to do with top end power. Assuming you have normal adult musculature form does the rest.

 

[takman]

I'm a little worse than Shustrick on one of his bad days putting. His overall game is much better obvs.

It's mainly the fact that I don't play as many rounds as I need to to get better, and injuries/life get in the way of enough practice time.

Specifically, what aspect of your game suffer the most because you can't practice enough? Is it distance or putting or accuracy?

 

[Cgkdisc]

With all due respect, seniors are not the subject of this thread. We are not talking about how much grandpa's putting benefits from his 2.5 lb curls. We are talking about fully fit professional players. I assume they can hold a putter in their hand without effort.

Physical strength has little to do with top end power. Assuming you have normal adult musculature form does the rest.

Beginners and senior decline are a more obvious indication that strength and snap matter for putting, even at the top levels. It's just more difficult to see and measure.

 

[takman]

Distance is already the single most important skill to throwing higher rated rounds. Your posts about how there are other skills needed to be a 1000 rated player are meaningless. No one is debating that but it has nothing to do with the question at all. The question is how far do you need to throw and the answer is you have to throw far or else all the other skills will not get you there.

Are there 960 rated guys who throw 450 feet? Of course. Are there 1000 rated guys who throw 350 max? No. They don't exist. If you don't meet the minimum distance threshold you will never be 1000 rated.

If the player only intends to compete on courses with holes under 350 (and they do exist), then they absolutely can reach 1000.

 

[IHearChains]

When I think of elite players who got there with skills other than elite distance, Leiviska comes to mind. His throw is so compact and smooth and accurate, and that compensates. Just from videos I'm guessing he throws 400-450 or so? Not sure. But if you can get to 1030+ without throwing over 450, then I think it could be possible to get to 1000 without throwing over 400.

 

[Nick Pacific]

I agree no one has data, just their experience on this topic. My experience as a teacher, observer and player is that arm/hand strength and snap can matter in putting skill. Working with beginners, especially older players over 50, some have to go from their putting stance to a throwing stance when they're just 15 feet from the basket. Watching and talking with veteran older players, they say they have had to go to lighter putters or change their stance closer to the basket than before. I agree you may not see this difference for players being able to get to 1000 rating during their prime years. But it will start to matter more for older players who had settled on a particular style of putting, whatever that was, and they start feeling the need to get more lift from the same distance to continue success.

Well said. This is also why some of the biggest arms are also the best putters (Paul Ricky Simon Eagle) and why the women struggle on the putting green far more than you'd think they should.

I agree with putter weight too. My best outside the circle putters are always my older, beat up lighter weight putters. I think I get my most consistent strokes with heavy stable putters but only up to about 25ft, outside of that the lighter weight and extra glide helps big-time.

 

[wolfmandragon]

With all due respect, seniors are not the subject of this thread. We are not talking about how much grandpa's putting benefits from his 2.5 lb curls. We are talking about fully fit professional players. I assume they can hold a putter in their hand without effort.

Physical strength has little to do with top end power. Assuming you have normal adult musculature form does the rest.

Beginners and senior decline are a more obvious indication that strength and snap matter for putting, even at the top levels. It's just more difficult to see and measure.

I agree that strength matters little as long as one has a basic level of strength. Power, on the other hand, matters greatly for pop and push styles.
I suspect that the longest push putters will also have the highest vertical leap; the gold standard to measure overall power.

Feldberg has said that the push putt was developed from players trying to mimic Cam Todd's pop putt and no one, at the time, could. I suspect that Cam has a greater power output compared to most Disc Golfers.

I also suspect that power matters less for pure spin putters like MJ. That style seems like accuracy would bleed off before distance. I don't spin putt, so I could be dead wrong.