[Innova] Simple bag advantage

[VictorB]

Doesnt he have like one win in the last 5 years or something? I mean on NT level

He might not win, he just shows up and does well. Like if it's a major or NT you could count on him in the top 10

 

[Yxebrew]

pros and cons to any bag strategy

why are we regurgitating this discussion yet again

oh wait i forgot where i was.. carry on

Why are you in here if you are annoyed?

What's with people in here dumping on threads they don't like? No one made you click it. If you don't like it stay TFO!

 

[Keller]

I've proven it to my self time and time again; I play better with fewer molds/discs.

My personal best on two local courses was playing with 4 discs in hand, no bag!

I have more fun when I play well and in control.

I do not however have fun playing with some guys who have their fun with full bags because, the group usually spends a lot of time looking for their discs because they don't seem to really know how they fly and they always have some excuse for it's less than intended flight.

 

[discerdoo]

I do not however have fun playing with some guys who have their fun with full bags because, the group usually spends a lot of time looking for their discs because they don't seem to really know how they fly and they always have some excuse for it's less than intended flight.

Wow, does that really happen? Like, every time you play with guys that have full bags you don't have fun?

 

[aphilso1]

Wow, does that really happen? Like, every time you play with guys that have full bags you don't have fun?

Note how Keller uses the word "some," where you substitute the phrase "every time." Not the same thing.

"I do not however have fun playing with some guys who have their fun with full bags..."

 

[discerdoo]

Note how Keller uses the word "some," where you substitute the phrase "every time." Not the same thing.

"I do not however have fun playing with some guys who have their fun with full bags..."

Ahh, only 'some guys' make it not fun for Keller. Makes sense now.

Personally I think Keller is green and steals Christmas gifts from innocent little children. At the very least, he's easily annoyed.

Bah humbug!

 

[Keller]

Personally I think Keller is green and steals Christmas gifts from innocent little children. At the very least, he's easily annoyed.

Bah humbug!

I'm extremely annoyed at stupidity.

And yes, too me, Christmas is the apex of stupidity.

 

[zendragon]

I've proven it to my self time and time again; I play better with fewer molds/discs.

My personal best on two local courses was playing with 4 discs in hand, no bag!

I have more fun when I play well and in control.

I do not however have fun playing with some guys who have their fun with full bags because, the group usually spends a lot of time looking for their discs because they don't seem to really know how they fly and they always have some excuse for it's less than intended flight.

I've had similar experiences on all accounts. My personal best round on any course was with 6 discs. My best on a few courses was with 3 discs. Sadly, when I was younger to the sport, I was also the guy who had 20+ discs in my bag that was constantly looking for one in the rough.

For me, 6 discs seems to be the magic number. If I add 1 disc for that "one hole that needs it", inevitably I put too much pressure on that shot and screw it up.

 

[wims]

How many NT wins do you have?

What does that have to do with anything? A poster was using Doss as an example of why it pays off to go for a simple bag. I countered the argument by saying that Doss doesnt win a lot of tournaments. One could even argue (although not justified) that his minimalization is causing him to lose tournaments. Doss and Philo are not proof that mold minimalization pays off.

That said, I shot my personal best on my local course just using a single disc (Envy). Beat my old PB by two shots yay

 

[discerdoo]

And yes, too me, Christmas is the apex of stupidity.

Hey, people gotta sell discs to the full baggers and electronics to everybody. I got a sweet black Friday deal on a Pixel3 xl that I'll use to about 10% of it's capacity. 'Tis season.

 

[HERB brooks]

What does that have to do with anything? A poster was using Doss as an example of why it pays off to go for a simple bag. I countered the argument by saying that Doss doesnt win a lot of tournaments. One could even argue (although not justified) that his minimalization is causing him to lose tournaments. Doss and Philo are not proof that mold minimalization pays off.

It's not like Doss is finsishing DFL at NT events. The man is 1038 rated and a 3x world champion. I'd say that qualifies as paying off.

 

[zendragon]

What does that have to do with anything? A poster was using Doss as an example of why it pays off to go for a simple bag. I countered the argument by saying that Doss doesnt win a lot of tournaments. One could even argue (although not justified) that his minimalization is causing him to lose tournaments. Doss and Philo are not proof that mold minimalization pays off.

That said, I shot my personal best on my local course just using a single disc (Envy). Beat my old PB by two shots yay

My point was it is presumptuous for you, or any of us who are not at that level to blame the arrows on the archer, who does in fact, have wins at the NT level, and when at the top of his game won Worlds (with the same basic minimalist setup).

 

[Brockness Monster]

Nate Doss is also a 3x world champ and Philo is part of a very elite club of players who have an Albatross.

 

[Putt for D'oh]

Something I always find amusing about these threads is how there is such a pronounced difference in the perception of a single mold vs multiple molds.

Pine, Compass, Claymore look and feel a lot closer to being the same disc with different flights, and you get them all in the same plastic.
Then the chest thumping I only carry two molds: Roc and Eagle
Kc Roc, Rancho Roc, Classic Roc, San Marino Roc and Roc3
Star Eagle X, Champ Eagle X and Champ Eagle L
that's 8 molds not 2... Even if that's extreme, though actual example, multiple runs of even the same run/plastic can be further apart than two discs that just happen to have a different name.

There are so many discs out there now and so many that have such small differences I just don't see the whole mold minimalist thing having that much weight. Unless it is someone (and maybe Philo is that guy) that is using not only one mold but only one or two runs of that mold for each one... THAT would be mold minimalist as people talk about. I have no idea how you "learn the disc better" when a fresh one of whatever you have been throwing flys like a totally different disc than anything you've owned before.

 

[SD86]

It's not like Doss is finsishing DFL at NT events. The man is 1038 rated and a 3x world champion. I'd say that qualifies as paying off.

That assumption cannot be made, that Doss is a 3x World Champ and 1038 because he carries and uses fewer discs/molds, no more than it can be assumed that Nate Sexton is a USDGC champ because he carries more molds (or did, in a recent ITB).

Also, Philo uses fewer molds, but he has a bunch of each of them (especially Destroyers and Rocs) in his bag... I think he had 20 discs in 5 molds in one of his recent ITBs. So is he really minimizing?

And this argument will continue as long as DG exists. opcorn:

Side note: When I'm playing with others, I have fun no matter how many discs or molds they have in their bags. I can't understand how someone could let what others are bagging ruin his (or her) own fun... just doesn't make sense...

 

[HERB brooks]

That assumption cannot be made, that Doss is a 3x World Champ and 1038 because he carries and uses fewer discs/molds, no more than it can be assumed that Nate Sexton is a USDGC champ because he carries more molds (or did, in a recent ITB).

Also, Philo uses fewer molds, but he has a bunch of each of them (especially Destroyers and Rocs) in his bag... I think he had 20 discs in 5 molds in one of his recent ITBs. So is he really minimizing?

Why are you quoting me here? The premise of my post isn't that Doss and his 1038 rating are a result of mild minimization. It's merely to point out that his philosophy is working just fine. Wims was trying to discredit one of the all time greats of the game due to his recent lack of NT wins. I never implied that carrying 6 or fewer molds is what makes Doss great, all I said was his decision has undoubtedly paid off.

 

[SD86]

Why are you quoting me here? The premise of my post isn't that Doss and his 1038 rating are a result of mild minimization. It's merely to point out that his philosophy is working just fine. Wims was trying to discredit one of the all time greats of the game due to his recent lack of NT wins. I never implied that carrying 6 or fewer molds is what makes Doss great, all I said was his decision has undoubtedly paid off.

Nothing personal in quoting you; I probably should've quoted multiple persons, there.

I did not perceive wims's quote as trying to discredit Nate Doss. It looked to me like he was stating what I'm stating; it cannot be assumed that Doss is what he is because of the number of molds and discs he carries. And then wims posted again pretty much confirming my understanding of his prior post.

 

[ranger]

It's also possible that it doesn't matter much what pros do with their bags. But maybe mold minimalization does provide a greater impact for the average golfer.


Or none of it matters but it's going to be difficult to make me believe it's not better to carry less (don't really care about limiting molds).

 

[zendragon]

I think that most of us are agreeing, at least to some point, that a pro's success is not dictated by mold minimalization. After all, most pros put hours of field work in that the average golfer doesn't have time for.

That does lead to my own stance though, that because I, as an average golfer, only play once a week or so, have a much better chance of playing better with the fewer molds that I learn well. I also intend this as fewer discs too. I may have a couple Craves I play with, but I don't carry 5 in various stages of wear (effectively making them different molds), I carry 1-2 at a time, and I know how to throw them for all the shots I can cover with them very well. I don't have to think about what mold might be better. That's my choice and I'm going to make it work.

 

[HERB brooks]

Nothing personal in quoting you; I probably should've quoted multiple persons, there.

I did not perceive wims's quote as trying to discredit Nate Doss. It looked to me like he was stating what I'm stating; it cannot be assumed that Doss is what he is because of the number of molds and discs he carries. And then wims posted again pretty much confirming my understanding of his prior post.

No hard feelings, just pointing out that I'm not claiming Nate Doss is proof that sample bags work better than bags with many molds.

While your interpretation of wims' post is valid. His first post only stated that Doss isn't a good example because he hasn't won a NT in several years. Sure Doss hasn't won a big one in a while, but he is still top 10 in the world as far as rating (not to mention one of 3 people to ever win worlds 3x or more). While you can't point to a pro like Doss and say this is proof that mold minimization is a superior philosophy, you still have to acknowledge that his philosophy has served him well throughout his career.