Damn autocorrect and I was looking at the diagram wrong haha. Nevermind I will just work now...
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Citing the rule (emphasis on the relevant part):
804.2B
A throw has missed a mandatory if, from the direction of the previous lie, it completely crosses a mandatory line and comes to rest without coming back across the line (a throw or sequence of throws that crosses the line in both directions is considered not to have crossed the line).
It makes no difference how the disc arrived at its location, if it lies on the away side of the mando line, the mando still needs to be made.
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Players are to 'ignore' the actual throw and focus on its end result, the lie.
Mandatories are not something that only have to be navigated once. They must be navigated correctly every time they fall between the lie and the target.
Citing the rule (emphasis on the relevant part):
804.2B
A throw has missed a mandatory if, from the direction of the previous lie, it completely crosses a mandatory line and comes to rest without coming back across the line (a throw or sequence of throws that crosses the line in both directions is considered not to have crossed the line).
It makes no difference how the disc arrived at its location, if it lies on the away side of the mando line, the mando still needs to be made.
This is correct.
You play your lie, but you do not gain any advantage your lie does not inherently have, in this case, a valid mandatory pass.
Players are to 'ignore' the actual throw and focus on its end result, the lie.
Mandos are such a complete headache and waste of time.
Just don't design a crappy / unsafe hole and there isn't a need for one.
Too bad we all are not given free reigns on the property where we design courses. You make it so simple.
Honestly, if you are designing a course and it has safety concerns and they will only limit you to a certain area that has that concern, you shouldn't have a course there.
The thing no one seems to understand about Mandos in terms of safety:
They only work when followed properly. I would say 50% of non tournament golfers won't follow them out of ignorance of the rules. And then about 10% of people who know it exists won't follow it because they don't care or because they are throwing "hey man try this" kind of shots.
Even if every single person follows them, there is no way to account for human error and poor throws.
I played a course last year that had a mando that I think was there to keep you from throwing in the road to the right, but the way it was set up made it a really tight "thread the needle shot" between two trees that made me throw a turnover shot around the left tree that made the mando...and ended up in the road. :|As a designer I totally understand the point your making. Mandos won't be followed by casual who don't know better. And there is always the occasional shanked shot. That still doesn't mean we should never have them or that a hole is crappy because it uses one. Sometimes they are not for safety but to force a certain shot the designer is wanting players to throw.
As a designer I totally understand the point your making. Mandos won't be followed by casual who don't know better. And there is always the occasional shanked shot. That still doesn't mean we should never have them or that a hole is crappy because it uses one. Sometimes they are not for safety but to force a certain shot the designer is wanting players to throw.
Just want to add that I find the "string" theory idiotic and it is one of the things that I'm going to try to change as a member of the rules committee. It contradicts the intention of the mandatory rule to allow for any throws to cross the mandatory line. The purpose of the mandatory it to prevent players from throwing through a certain area. It shouldn't matter that the player passed it correctly once already if the player is given a second opportunity to do so.
Unfortunately for every hole 7 at USDGC where a mando made what would be a boring hole into a good one, there are 100 that are just complete jokes
Uh, no, not for the mando rule. It does matter how the disc got to where it is.
As a designer I totally understand the point your making. Mandos won't be followed by casual who don't know better. And there is always the occasional shanked shot. That still doesn't mean we should never have them or that a hole is crappy because it uses one. Sometimes they are not for safety but to force a certain shot the designer is wanting players to throw.
You mean in this specific instance or in general?
Bring light to darkness by explaining.
Two ways to look at this.
A. Your disc passes on the correct side of the mando. You have negatted the mando line. It is no longer a mando line. You are free to continue on a path towards the basket no matter where the disc ends up.
B. There is danger to other golfers if you throw on the wrong side of the mando. So, no matter if your disc makes the mando but ends up crossing the mando line, for safety reasons you still have to throw to the correct side of the mando. This makes the dam string tie a knot around the mando. (half-hitch?)
I wish the rules committed would address this once and for all.
Right now the rules for Mandatory's sits as to how the Director of a PDGA tournament, runner of a PDGA League, or league that uses the Exact PDGA though not PDGA League is how the rules apply to the Mando, the String theory applies to how they word the mandatory in the tournament or League rules.
I say thanks for trying to drop that and make the rule so each time a person is behind the mandatory area they have to throw in the mandatory area even if they should have gone though the mandatory throw area in the first time.
The other odd option would be to give a penalty for hitting the mandatory on the first try even if they went through the mandatory but came back on the other side during the throw of hitting the mandatory. That is a Double Jeopardy thing that needs to get fixed.
This Double Jeopardy needs to be cleared up as Our local tournaments made this rule that if you came back through the wrong side of the mandatory having cleared it the first time you got a penalty and had to throw from the penalty box. I got this oops as it was possible when missing the one Mandatory From a marked tree and had to do a provisional on the throw calling it both a penalty and throwing from the spot I landed to save time not calling out the director for this incident. Found out it was a penalty for the disc making the mandatory but wind/other tree pushing the disc back out the non mandatory side.