It's a tough battle here in the real world, what with so many invaders.
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I don't even know what you are going on about. Malaria, pneumonia or diarrhoea have been running rampant in third world nations for decades. The socio-economic, cultural and economic environment of those countries, alone, provide for more than enough variable to discount the comparison. The use of African countries to have any semblance of a conversation about COVID, in this country, can only be dismissed as trolling.
This has been a pretty robust thread, and I think everyone understands the need to start the economy. I have seemed to defend the concept of saving as many lives as possible, by limiting the sick, to the capacity of the healthcare system. The real point of the lockdowns and stay at home orders. It worked.
I still have failed to see what your point is. I can only seem to take away that you think your "rights" and convenience should have no price or consequence. You really seem frightened by the faltering economy, as we all are. But, you don't really have anyone to blame. The economy is and will falter until a vaccine is developed and distributed worldwide.
I get you are frightened and you can continue to shout about your rights and what was done wrong yesterday, but the virus will march on. The success of the economy, and with saving lives, is all of us taking the science seriously and trying to do the best by all. It is not hard or that complicated. We all be altruistic, social warriors and both the economy and lives are saved, or everyone does what is best for them and we will mostly fail on both counts. I think we will see how it goes in many places across the country.....by, I say Sept/Oct. Nobody hopes I am wrong, more than me!!
So me posting an opinion from the chief doctor of the United Nations health organization saying the lockdown will probably have unintended consequences of killing poor children across the globe is trolling?
So me posting an opinion from the chief doctor of the United Nations health organization saying the lockdown will probably have unintended consequences of killing poor children across the globe is trolling?
Apologies if I missed it, but what actions are you proposing? What do you think is the best balance between public health and economic activity?
I would be genuinely interested to hear your proposal.
This is like you're saying "my dad is tougher than your dad". You're completely ignoring all the other qualified medical professionals who are saying the lockdowns are a good thing.
For the sake of not wasting anyone's precious time, rather than typing all day, let's say I am proposing to do whatever they did in Sweden where the rate of infection is less than some places that locked down.
From the article I linked above.
As of Friday morning, Sweden, which has a population of 10.23 million, had 29,207 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 3,646 deaths from the virus — a death rate of 35.64 deaths per 100,000 people.
The US, meanwhile, has had 1.45 million confirmed COVID-19 cases and 86,607 deaths from the virus. With a population of 328.2 million, the country has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people.
I'll concede that the Finland/Norway data makes the case that locking down does make a difference. But will it make a difference in the long run? Can Finland and Norway stay locked down forever?
"Locked down forever" isn't the only option. Locked down until a vaccine (likely to be longer than can be endured), or until better treatments are found (which I'd guess is more likely than a vaccine), or into a partial opening to keep the damage manageable (as many states are gambling on) are other options.
Testing, tracing, and isolation is where we should be heading. We need to be able to test asymptomatic people, trace their contacts, and then test those people, etc. until the trail runs out.
That is how other countries have managed to keep things under control.
Right now we are only testing people with symptoms, even though > 50% of infections are spread by asymptomatic people.