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Drive Leg Mechanics

Just wanna add that the screenshot of gavin is him failing to commit on his flat/anhyzer release and releasing a nose up hyzer on hole 3 at the Preserve while KJ is throwing a massive distance hyzerflip at the distance competition. This is Gavin throwing an actual hyzerflip on hole 18 at the Preserve. Doesn't look too different. Hip and foot angle is more a result of the body position which in turn is a result of the release angle imo.

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Overthrow Discgolf: take bradley walker's already conceptually (at least partially) flawed spin and throw, use a real mic and fancy editing and get money from doing form reviews from comparing pro form to your form and pointing out the differences! yuck.

Helpful things are helpful.
 
Being 6'8" and ER, you should really look more at Big Jerm and Climo. There's been a lot of coverage of Gavin this year but I think he's a bit shorter and pretty flexible and young.

Any shorter ER pros to look at? How about Gibson, Bradley Williams and Paul Mcbeth? ER dominant?
 
So the people at Tread Athletics wrote back to me. And they didn't respond with a very good answer at all unfortunately. They just reiterated some basics of what their article we've all read already states, and said to watch this video. And it's the same video about how to determine if your ER or IR dominant :\ I specifically asked them what are some drills, tips and swing thoughts someone could do, IF they are ER or IR dominant and NOTHING. So that was a waste of time.

But the one thing Ben had mentioned in one of his videos was messing around with rear drive leg FOOT starting angles. So meaning, does your rear foot start out 90* parallel to the plate on the rubber? Or slightly open or slightly closed? And it states that usually people that are ER dominant will have better results more often than not (meaning higher velocities on pitches) with a 10-20* closed rear foot. It sets their whole body up to start the pitch in a more closed position, while their body glides down the mound until they plant with a vertical shin.

So translated for us, as disc golfers, that would mean (if your RHBH) you'd turn your left foot more behind you going into the X step, at around 10-20*. As opposed to more neutral left foot angle. So a lot like Simon's X step, where his left foot is turned out quite a bit behind him.
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Like I've said before, play around with your rear foot placement in Door Frame Drills, see what gives you the most leverage against the door frame.
 
This post was incredibly helpful in understanding what the trail foot does.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3534606&postcount=56

The first video (stride purpose) shows a bunch of examples to help be able to identify the movement.

The second video (how the power stance) helps keep my stride shorter even though I want to stride reaally far.

The 3rd video (use the ground), BINGO, such awesome description in how the trail foot moves.

The rest of the videos are incredible but i wanted to point out what just stuck out to myself after going through this tread (this knowledge comes from already watching the door frame drill).

What i think im soaking up and thinking about now is the trail foot videos ive seen of batters vs pitchers vs golfers and translating those to RHBH throws
 
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Little nugget that i felt. I am still doing standstills and when i fall forward from my drive leg i have been focusing so much on the forward movement. I never thought about the falling down and into a sitting position as before my initial research brought me to believe when i saw/read about a sitting position that was bad. I had misconstrued what i read.

video below talks about falling forward and DOWN.

https://youtu.be/KwO4niN4XGM?list=PLW1WSfciB1I-4GUenM2hbCNjrVmRW3hLA&t=17

What i got out of the video above:

note how the drive leg (right leg) is straight .

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Note then how when he falls forward his is falling down and forward. when he falls down he is compressing his drive leg (right leg) which is then coiled as a spring. and when he then presses the gas pedal thats where that spring decompresses

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when reading this thread I have now come to get a feeling in my quad. That feeling came from falling down. While I am falling down my left leg if held in the right position then starts to coil into a spring. My issue was that I was falling forward too much with a straight leg and not down enough so my drive leg never felt this coil sensation. i had watched the hogan power move videos and guess i needed to see this baseball video to add a bit more info to help my understanding
 
I practiced a bit ago and now things i have seen before make sense. I made this mistake and hopefully bringing it up will help others.

On the first page of this thread ill link a video and a timestamp. Below it ill discuss what i just experienced.

(very specifically the marker 5.43 when he shows the 'knee slamming' movement)

https://youtu.be/hIQjrxfIm_Q?t=338

When I initially was trying to figure out this movement i tried to perform something that i saw. That movement was the 'knee slamming'. I was doing this in the field as it seemed to get my leg moving in the way i thought was accurate. I know now that movement isnt what I want. So true how watching a video multiple times and something different can be picked up on it.

Side thought:

This thread has been in my bookmarks and i was always confused on what was said in there.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133319

specifically in the first post "Most Ams start rotating and accelerating the disc forward before the rear foot de-weights.
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when i watched my field work i tried so hard to figure out how to do that. I believe this leg drive movement is the key to that.
 
ive seen this before written on here about when thinking about hitting the hammer on the wall the body syncs up and doesnt have to think about throwing at a 10 oclock position.

This quote below i saw in the comments of the golf video and it is now something i just think about and my body just syncs up regarding my lower body

"The purpose of the stride is to generate forward momentum that is stopped by a firm front side"

of course practice helps but when im in the field i dont want to think about very fine movement (rotate leg, then swivel, then fall then down) i like to think just of that quote. then my body just does the rest
 
Figure learn how to edit videos, haha

at the 9 second marker i did the knee slamming movement with my left knee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOiT9Cb8lMc

def let me know if im wrong on that assumption!


It looks like you are forcing the knee into the valgus position which is weak and causes collapse. Brent talks about it in the video at around the 3:30 mark. What you are observing in the videos is the knee moving the way it does is from the turn of the femur with the extension from plantar flexion to drive the pelvis which he talks about at around 4:50 mark.

 
It looks like you are forcing the knee into the valgus position which is weak and causes collapse. Brent talks about it in the video at around the 3:30 mark. What you are observing in the videos is the knee moving the way it does is from the turn of the femur with the extension from plantar flexion to drive the pelvis which he talks about at around 4:50 mark.

Idk if he's phrasing it an unfortunate way or w/e, but it sounds like he's talking about "pushing the back hip to create rotation" which is a big no no. There is a huge difference between pushing with the back leg and driving with the back leg (obviously there is a force into the ground in both cases, but the semantics actually matter in terms of how we think about using the back leg). Pushing with the back leg implies a straightening (or any effort towards straightening) of the back leg. This will push the pelvis out of poisition causing your spine angle to tilt forward and you jam into the front hip. Driving implies moving the body forward in balance. Basically just move your body forward without changing your posture. I like the term "soft back leg". Basically your back leg is just moving your body forward, not opening your hips. If you're throwing a big hyzer à la Garret Gurthie, it becomes very evident how counterproductive pushing with the back leg is, since you must allow your body to fall down (and then caught by your front leg to use as power for the vertical component of the swing). But the same concept is true regardless of intended angle. In a standstill you will feel more weight on the back leg as you drive forward. Wiith a run-up it's more like you're floating past it, hence the term "soft back leg".

It's also very important to acknowledge though that there is an explosive twitch rotational movement that starts from your left foot and continues up your body (left arm clockwise turn for RHBH plays a part in this) right before you feel the weight/brace/actual plant of your front foot (your front foot may or may not be on the ground when this happens). This twitch movement is what extends the arm and wrist at the peak of the "rubber band" reachback. I used to think that there is no way to create rotation without using ground forces, but that is not the case due to the body not being a rigid body. We are able to change the moment of inertia in one part of our body while increasing it in another to create rotation while still not violating conservation of angular momentum. This is how cats turn to always land on their feet, despite having a net zero angular momentum (no net rotation) to begin with. These astronauts are demonstrating this nicely:

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This guy tries to explain it to the best of his ability. At 3:12 he does it incorrectly in an attempt to isolate the twitch resulting in "squish the bug" rotation in place. At 3:27 he does it properly moving forward at the same time. I like how he says "I don't move the hips with the hips".

 
This is a good thread for me at the moment, but the additional thought I've been having is that proportion of the thrower comes into play. I've got a longer torso and it seems like staying quick on my toes creates some vertical noise so that when I plant everything on top comes crashing though like a city bus hitting a stop sign. I've started filming a little and can see that my brace is not working but I also had an idea I was very weak on the follow through because of pain and forcing the follow through shows how weak my brace is. It's just not stopping the forward motion and my brace foot is popping up off the ground. I'm worried that I'm learning to aim with a weak brace and when I get a good brace it throws my aim off.
 
This is a good thread for me at the moment, but the additional thought I've been having is that proportion of the thrower comes into play. I've got a longer torso and it seems like staying quick on my toes creates some vertical noise so that when I plant everything on top comes crashing though like a city bus hitting a stop sign. I've started filming a little and can see that my brace is not working but I also had an idea I was very weak on the follow through because of pain and forcing the follow through shows how weak my brace is. It's just not stopping the forward motion and my brace foot is popping up off the ground. I'm worried that I'm learning to aim with a weak brace and when I get a good brace it throws my aim off.

Maybe "quick on your toes" is not a good cue for you. It's about being an athlete, slightly bent knees ready to explode left or right like an American footballer doing agility work.
 
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