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500’ standstills - approach to teaching fundamentals

Man, this guy is giving off immense attention whore vibes, not gonna lie.

Both of his YT video's have clickbait titles and a reddit AMA for a sub year long player lol...kinda weird.

I even tried to find a video of him like...throwing a 500' standstill and can't find one.
There was a guy who claimed to throw 500 feet way back in the day on this forum (I sometimes scroll through old pages on the technique forum and nice posts) and noone believed him. Eventually he posted a video of him throwing with atrocious form including a collapsed shoulder. Throwing good distance doesnt mean nothing but it is also useless to parade it around like that. The knowledgeable people on here have not paraded their distances around, but especially SW has folders full of images showing how he gets into the same good positions as pros do.
 
^You talking about Kachtz? Everyone doubted him, but it turned out he could throw 500+.

Here's the guy who used to be on here who threw standstill only. I saw another similar username suggested, but this is the standstill guy: gcr_russell
 
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I reckon a bunch of them actually could throw 500 foot standstills, in a field, given 20 goes at it (and if they weren't worried what injuries they might pick up from overstraining). Which is probably what Clint could do. If he genuinely had 500 feet of consistent usable power, he'd be quite something.
The only person I know who legit throws 500 foot standstills is Graham Russell. Even your top level elite pro's cannot throw 500 foot standstills.
Corey Ellis and Kristian Kuoksa for sure. I'd bet Wiggins and Eagle could.
 
Man, this guy is giving off immense attention whore vibes, not gonna lie.

Both of his YT video's have clickbait titles and a reddit AMA for a sub year long player lol...kinda weird.

I even tried to find a video of him like...throwing a 500' standstill and can't find one.
I think his tutorial videos are decent. Form could be a little better, but for less than a year it's better than most.


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I think his tutorial videos are decent. Form could be a little better, but for less than a year it's better than most.


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I did agree with his overall paradigm of getting a few specific things correct to have a solid foundational swing. I just think its kinda silly to label videos "450 feet or bust" and "Throw hard in 20 minutes".

I do think its funny how he describes it as a straight line, with that crazy impossible 12 oclock release - then in your screen is obviously not actually doing that.
 
I dont remember his name but yes he turned put to be legit

Just googled him and there is a thread with a hilarious comment 600' with crap form (or maybe unknown perfect form)

This is the video



Im kinda envious of his ability to crush so damn hard but may god have mercy on his shoulder

^You talking about Kachtz? Everyone doubted him, but it turned out he could throw 500+.

Here's the guy who used to be on here who threw standstill only. I saw another similar username suggested, but this is the standstill guy: gcr_russell
I've played with Kachtz(Trey) a few times at Iron Hill, and one time as dubs partners at Lake Marshall. Really nice guy and built like a greek god, he said he did golf long drive competition and had club head speed around 150mph which most PGA tours don't come close to sniffing except for Bryson. We've talked a few times working on his form. He throws with a massive airbounce which has to be killing speed. First time I played with him I kept losing my balance when he threw because the air pressure would change so drastically, it took me a couple of his throws to realize what was happening to my ears.
 
How do I join the discord? I'm really old :)

In fairness, I may be missing a lot of the context on this particular person seeming unreceptive to having a dialogue.
You are.
I have done multiple form checks for him.
And it was just arguments about how I and everyone else was wrong from him.

Are we arguing that physical fitness doesn't improve throwing?
No one is saying that doing pushups = max distance. Where is that strawman coming from?

As others have stated, that was a joke.
I am not in the shape that I was in, but there are not many disc golfers, especially even pro golfers, who are in as good of shape as I am in.
Can you throw further being in good shape? Sure. But it doesn't mean you will throw further.

Want y'all to know that I am working on my comma challenged writing style.

Know any videos of this guy? Google turned up a 2015 in the bag but was struggling to find more.

There is a national tour video of him on feature card or something somewhere from a number of years ago.

Graham focuses more on family than touring.
He's also throwing massive bombers out in the desert where nobodies disc goes far.

I had a person I used to play with call me after playing a round with him. He was a 550+ thrower and was annoyed he couldn't get any distance out there and Graham was out driving everyone from standstills.

I liked the video to an extent.

But as sheep said, that discord is next to unbearable at times. Most of the guys in here are willing to listen and debate topics - in that discord, people tend to think that "I can throw xxx, therefore I'm a form guru and my opinion matters the most". The second they were riding "coach" T's nuts, I were outta there.

That fucking hulk-build guy we got in here (nick?) That throws 700 is a great humble guy and I REALLY like his videos. He listened to SW and Brychanus with an "interest" in stuff..

The guy above doesn't gives me the same vibes, at least not in that discord.
Sorry, I always forget you were in there too.
You, of course, then remember all the conversations about how everyone was wrong after he had played for like 4 months, and he was right cause he could throw 500 feet already.

I guess I am kind of confused about how people use terminology. A 500' standstill is a beast of a throw IMO, and one that cannot be 'muscled' in the way I use that word in the RHBH context. People having a muscular, athletic build does not automatically mean they are 'muscling' the disc. To me muscling the disc is using your arm out of sequence, and this simply cannot be done to throw a disc that far.
I have a bit of inside baseball on it because I've done form checks on him.
While he does use his body, he is a mainly armed muscle thrower.
And being a power lifter and knowing his concept was about basically bulking up and hulk smashing and all throws must be 100%.

It's a bit different.

Wether the video is good or not - its spacstic to makes instructional videos when you barely played a year. Doing videos with your "journey" to better form is a whole other thing though - sharing stuff that made your swing better in a manner that doesn't make you look like "coach", is the way to go.

Lets bring it back here, cause this is where my angry soap box yelling at clouds shit comes from.

It's good and fine to document your journey, what you're doing and who you're talking to.

That's kind of what made bodanza a person people wanted to watch. He was documenting what he was doing, he wasn't trying to present himself as an expert or a coach.

I could only find older videos of him too. I always like watching people who dedicate some real time to a solid standstill shot and have always been sad there isn't more coverage of GR.

Yeah, he's physically unable to do a "run up" for a backhand. And yes, I wish He did more, but he's basically an ambassador level sponsored player at this point.
 
I think his tutorial videos are decent. Form could be a little better, but for less than a year it's better than most.

He has been working with Trebuchet since he started, they live near each other IIRC.
So he's had some level of in person coaching.

I'm sure his form has improved since I did form checks on him.
But the attitude that came from all of it was just ugh.

It's hard to get upset at people who push out a level of enthusiasm that isn't matched by many.
But at the same time recognize that they need to take it down about 5 or 6 notches on how they express it.
 
As others have stated, that was a joke.
I am not in the shape that I was in, but there are not many disc golfers, especially even pro golfers, who are in as good of shape as I am in.
Can you throw further being in good shape? Sure. But it doesn't mean you will throw further.
I think it depends what in shape means. I would bet that most good players' mobility, flexibility and coordination is off the charts. And training for some strength seems to be in fashion with some american players putting on some muscle like Cole Redalen and Ezra Adlerhold (on Jomez they even mentioned that Gannon put on like 10 kilos of muscle over the off-season, however I dont remember where they said that). Some finnish players like Kuoksa (and im sure many others) also put quite a lot of work in to gain some mass in the off-season as is evident from all the training videos from that facility.
 
I think it depends what in shape means. I would bet that most good players' mobility, flexibility and coordination is off the charts. And training for some strength seems to be in fashion with some american players putting on some muscle like Cole Redalen and Ezra Adlerhold (on Jomez they even mentioned that Gannon put on like 10 kilos of muscle over the off-season, however I dont remember where they said that). Some finnish players like Kuoksa (and im sure many others) also put quite a lot of work in to gain some mass in the off-season as is evident from all the training videos from that facility.
Crap, I bumped the back button on my mouse.

Mobility = Leverage throwing
Muscle = Brute strength throwing

Ezra is a muscled thrower.
Eagle is a leveraged thrower.

There are a lot of people who are in the middle.

A dude who bulks out hard isn't going to ever have the mobility. Muscles get in the way. You have massive amounts of explosive power, but you get gassed quick.

A guy who focuses on tons of reps, and lots of exercise is going to have a LOT of strength, far more than the bulked out dude, they just dont have the explosive strength.

So a muscled out gym bro with good enough form and technique could easily just yeet away vs someone who has to learn harder to use the leverage to their advantage vs just hulk smashing a disc.

By in shape, most players on tour are not. They might be good at what they are doing, but when it comes to actually being fit and in shape, they are not. They might play well, but they are not in shape.
 
Crap, I bumped the back button on my mouse.

Mobility = Leverage throwing
Muscle = Brute strength throwing

Ezra is a muscled thrower.
Eagle is a leveraged thrower.

There are a lot of people who are in the middle.

A dude who bulks out hard isn't going to ever have the mobility. Muscles get in the way. You have massive amounts of explosive power, but you get gassed quick.

A guy who focuses on tons of reps, and lots of exercise is going to have a LOT of strength, far more than the bulked out dude, they just dont have the explosive strength.

So a muscled out gym bro with good enough form and technique could easily just yeet away vs someone who has to learn harder to use the leverage to their advantage vs just hulk smashing a disc.

By in shape, most players on tour are not. They might be good at what they are doing, but when it comes to actually being fit and in shape, they are not. They might play well, but they are not in shape.

Ezra is definitely not a huge muscled guy like most dg'ers seem to think, he's definitely athletic and fit. I do not think he relies on raw muscle power to aid his distance throws, fast twitch explosion maybe.

Maybe, there's something I'm missing or not paying attention to. But I'm coming from a view of a former competitive BB/PL and DG'er, and people would assume the same about me bc I could pretty far even from just 1 step.
 
Ezra is definitely not a huge muscled guy like most dg'ers seem to think, he's definitely athletic and fit. I do not think he relies on raw muscle power to aid his distance throws, fast twitch explosion maybe.

Maybe, there's something I'm missing or not paying attention to. But I'm coming from a view of a former competitive BB/PL and DG'er, and people would assume the same about me bc I could pretty far even from just 1 step.
It's mainly what I'm seeing from his form.
He uses his body, but he's closer to the muscle side vs the leverage side.
Brodie is the same way.

it doesn't make you less of a golfer. its just a different method.
 
Mobility = Leverage throwing
Muscle = Brute strength throwing

Ezra is a muscled thrower.
Eagle is a leveraged thrower.

There are a lot of people who are in the middle.

A dude who bulks out hard isn't going to ever have the mobility. Muscles get in the way. You have massive amounts of explosive power, but you get gassed quick.

A guy who focuses on tons of reps, and lots of exercise is going to have a LOT of strength, far more than the bulked out dude, they just dont have the explosive strength.

So a muscled out gym bro with good enough form and technique could easily just yeet away vs someone who has to learn harder to use the leverage to their advantage vs just hulk smashing a disc.

By in shape, most players on tour are not. They might be good at what they are doing, but when it comes to actually being fit and in shape, they are not. They might play well, but they are not in shape.
Going to have to strongly disagree here. Resistance training increases mobility. That is a scientific fact. We are also not talking about some edge case where Arnold in his bodybuilding prime couldn't utilize the mobility gains because the amount of mass was in his way of being able to scratch his back.

Also low rep = higher strength. Higher rep = lower strength, more cardio benefits, and likely more hypertrophy though those returns diminish as you start getting into really high rep ranges 20-30 IIRC.

I think you are using extremes to prove a point, which I get, but outliers are simply not relevant IMO. Not a scientific fact but my speculation - 99% of people who do resistance training as a means of improving athletic performance in a particular sport have NO concern with reaching a level of hypertrophy that results in an overall performance degradation. Barry Bonds didn't lose bat speed. Pitcher's velocity generally peaks early 20s and is in a steady decline by 26, but Roger Clemens managed to maintain into his 40s. In fairness, steroids do improve performance in more ways than just muscle mass and strength. Tom Brady didn't get in shape and lose his ability to throw as he aged. The clear general trend is that resistance training is a benefit to all professional athletes.

If tour pros aren't in shape now, they will be in the future because all evidence points to it improving performance. Of course there are outliers that are so talented, like John Daly, that are more than competitive without putting any effort into it and a few edge cases where a dude lost his gut and couldn't revamp his golf swing but that is a different issue. I think every pro knows that resistance training will offer them an edge. Whether they choose to take it is another question.
 
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If tour pros aren't in shape now, they will be in the future because all evidence points to it improving performance.
Ya, if more money keeps entering the sport and it truly begins to attract and select for true ideals at the top end, I don't think people understand how much this sport will change.

There is a certain charm to the sport as it stands. Us plebes are far closer in ability to the top end than in other more developed professional sports. I can see why people are kind of attached to that dynamic, but it is not caused by some inherent property of disc golf. It is purely an underdeveloped physical sport.
 
Ya, if more money keeps entering the sport and it truly begins to attract and select for true ideals at the top end, I don't think people understand how much this sport will change.

There is a certain charm to the sport as it stands. Us plebes are far closer in ability to the top end than in other more developed professional sports. I can see why people are kind of attached to that dynamic, but it is not caused by some inherent property of disc golf. It is purely an underdeveloped physical sport.
I'm honestly sad that I discovered this sport only 5 years ago. I have attended UDGC/Throw Pink the last 3 years with my daughter and it has slowly gotten more and more professional. It is bittersweet. I love that the pros are getting the validation, accolades, and money to support themselves more and I love the fact that my daughter might one day get a scholarship for this sport, but I would have loved the opportunity to be more connected with the pros in the old scene. It is still like that at certain places like the Women's USDGC, but it is going to slowly become more sterile. The good news is I think that despite how fast we have grown, we are still a very small sport so maybe the charm will last for another decade or so.
 
I'm nearly 50 and can't - i mean literally can't - do a push up
Try shifting your hand position, maybe a little further back under your shoulders, try a little wider or narrower, and also let your elbows relax out from your sides (not too far, say 45 degrees or so) - and I bet you find a position where you can do a few reps. I'm doing a February pushup challenge, 2,000 pushups in 23 days, and I discovered I've been doing them wrong all my life, lol. Today at the gym I did four sets of 20, mixed in with other exercises.

Strength and muscular fitness should help distance, though not as much as timing and form. Improved strength also reduces the risk of injury and increases stamina. Mobility is important too - stretching, yoga, etc. will help your throw and keep you playing longer. I'm 55, and I started working out two or three times a week about a year ago. My distance has definitely improved - though since I've only been playing for two years, so I'm still getting noob gains from form improvements.

Between strength training and fieldwork, I feel like my game can stay on an upward trajectory for years to come - I'm an average player now (860 rating), but I think I'll be pretty competitive in a few years against 60 year-olds who don't pay attention to their fitness and strength.
 
I am as lanky as they come, for better or worse. When i was 18 i was 6'6" and 130 pounds lol. Those long levers are brilliant for some things, but push ups not so much. If i went to the gym for a while i could do some, obviously, but right now my exercise regime is non existent.

It's interesting actually - i think those long levers give me decent disc speed more easily than the average person, but i find spin a little harder, because my fingers are so very long and spindly. Grip strength is an issue.

I find distance drivers massively easier to grip than fairways, particularly shallow fairways[COLOR=var(--text)]. I'm just a weird shape lol.[/COLOR]
 
I am as lanky as they come, for better or worse. When i was 18 i was 6'6" and 130 pounds lol. Those long levers are brilliant for some things, but push ups not so much. If i went to the gym for a while i could do some, obviously, but right now my exercise regime is non existent.

It's interesting actually - i think those long levers give me decent disc speed more easily than the average person, but i find spin a little harder, because my fingers are so very long and spindly. Grip strength is an issue.

I find distance drivers massively easier to grip than fairways, particularly shallow fairways[COLOR=var(--text)]. I'm just a weird shape lol.[/COLOR]
I'm 5'10" with a 6'2" wingspan. Was always pissed at how much more weight my buddies with shorter arms could move.
 
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