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"Ah Ha!" Moments
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jenb
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Nikkoand Coda really emphasized this at the clinic last night, and even mentioned the "happy feet" thing. I focused on it today and played really hot. Won the mini at a course I've never played before, and I had some serious competition. :thmbup:
hangwind
Eagle Member
Happy feet, that's a "Ah Ha" right now...
major aha was when i realized that more turn and reach-back on the backswing didn't necessarily translate to more D. i was getting myself in a position from which i couldn't consistently clear my hips quickly enough, which resulted in my hip turn, shoulder turn, weight transfer, and "hit" not happening together. i went to a much more compact, better-timed delivery that has given me better consistency, with much less effort, without sacrificing any distance. i'm still aspiring to be more feldberg-like in my delivery and less like jesper lundmark. (although it is a great pleasure to watch jesper throw, i just can't get that much turn and reach to sequence up right.)
Dan-hyzer
Bogey Member
My Ah-ha! moment came from taking a longer step into my plant with my lead foot. This allowed me to really feel the slow weight transfer as the initial form of accelleration. From there i just smoothly worked in my normal arm and body movements and was given much more speed and D without more effort.
My Ah-Ha! moment came in my first round of disc golf --- got an ace on a short hole, and said "Ah HA!"
Been chasing that feeling ever since....to little avail....
Been chasing that feeling ever since....to little avail....
Ouch. That's worse than winning your first time in a casino.
Good points. I've been working lately on less reach back and more emphasis on the late acceleration. I've had a few throws and rounds lately where my putter or mid just took off from an effortless stutter step throw. I realized there was little reach back. So I've tried it off the tee to some success. The longer stride idea has come to me before, but I couldn't consistently get better results. I tried both the other day, and had some nice effortless throws for good 'D'. I desperately need a day of field work to play around with it, but I have hope. Damn life keeps getting in the way of DG progress! Thanks for the ideas, and helping me add 1+1.
Doupie620
Banned
My "moment" came when I started keeping my eye on the basket throughout my throw...I still suck, but not as much now.
discmeister
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Great thread idea!
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Promise you won't laugh...
My biggest "aha" moment occurred when I finally started throwing drivers fast enough to get some to turn over. Suddenly flight charts and disc ratings actually started to make sense. Shortly thereafter, hyzer-flips and flex shots made sense, too.
Prior to that, I couldn't throw ANY driver staright: Tee Bird, JLS, Polaris, Eagle, even an Xpress... all would just hook left. The only success I throwing a straight drive was with beat DX Cheetah that must have had a previous life as an axe.
My biggest "aha" moment occurred when I finally started throwing drivers fast enough to get some to turn over. Suddenly flight charts and disc ratings actually started to make sense. Shortly thereafter, hyzer-flips and flex shots made sense, too.
Prior to that, I couldn't throw ANY driver staright: Tee Bird, JLS, Polaris, Eagle, even an Xpress... all would just hook left. The only success I throwing a straight drive was with beat DX Cheetah that must have had a previous life as an axe.
jenb
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I had another Ah Ha moment recently while trying to play left handed. I was doing snap drills immediately before throwing to get a better feel for the release, and noticed it really helping my touch on approaches and putts. So I started doing it in my pre shot routine for my right hand, even on aproaches and putts, and it really seems to help a LOT.
I find this fascinating because I've been coming to almost the exact opposite conclusion. It's only when I get my back to the target and then lead with the hips coming forward that I get good distance. But it could be that you're both working more on consistency than just trying for more distance. My consistency has always been reasonable, but it's my distance that has always been lagging. I think part of my problem has been the over-emphasis on the 'snap' or 'hit' in the latter part of the throw. For me (and probably a lot of other throwers), I think it's at least as important to focus on getting good rotation and the whole body into distance shots. Now the trick is coordinate all those movements and get your disc on-line. But when it all works and comes together, I find I get much more on the disc than just by focusing on 'snap' alone. Good converstation--I like this thread, jen!
What you say makes sense, and I have had some good periods using a long, straight-arm reach back and throw. But, I have made some very nice shots with less effort and good late acceleration and snap. My hope is that I can get timing and consistency down with a smaller, quicker movements, and then extend my reach back for more distance later. We're probably just at different points in our game and development. I'm still a little bit of a developing noodle arm.
My last Ah-Ha moment came after I injured my left (non throwing) shoulder. It hurt to raise it, so I kept it down and close to my body. This must have increased my body turn speed big time, or synced it up because I started driving about 50 feet further immediately. The shoulder feels better now, but this habit has stuck.
BTW, a long reach back keeps my form in tact. When I try to shorten it, I lose a lot of consistency. I even started reaching back more on approach shots resulting in better direction and consistency.
BTW, a long reach back keeps my form in tact. When I try to shorten it, I lose a lot of consistency. I even started reaching back more on approach shots resulting in better direction and consistency.
Hey sloppy, in your previous post you were talking about throwing mids and putters, so the shorter reachback and focus on snap makes sense. I think I've been working more on driver shots and pushing out my 'max' distance. It could very well be that we are just focusing on different type of shots. All I know is that to get more distance, I have maxed out on just 'snap' and I need to incorporate other things into the throw. Of course, whenever u try to add more rotation or a longer reachback, things will go wrong, lol. I'm right in the middle of trying to refine and perfect, but I think I'm on the right track!
PS--this is all from self acknowledged noodle arm.
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I missed this post before, but I really relate to this. I agree that a good turn is really key to a good throw. Now I'm just trying to make it second nature and consistent from one throw to the next.
Triflusal
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uhh this is the opposite of ideal. your body can move your arm faster than your arm muscles can move it.
For me an ah ha moment recently involved getting my weight forward. I knew I wasn't getting it forward enough, and that I was shifting from center to forwardish, instead of weight back to weight forward.
Then that thread about nikkos hop before his X step came along. I experimented with it, and it made me move faster, and taught me how getting your weight from back to forward feels. I don't need to do the hop step anymore unless I am going for all out distance, because I know how to transfer my weight now. Before I was hitting 400'ish with eagles and leopards, now I can get them about 25'-30' feet longer than that when I shift my weight right. The consistency isn't there yet and I will occasionally sky one or wormburn one, but that happens.
Also sidewinder has been posting golf videos about keeping your body stacked, and that is a good concept to learn.
