Eh, the Buzzz is a low-line "throw it like a driver" disc and the Roc is a high-line "throw it like a putter" disc. So you can have two that are similar stability, but they won't fly the same and you wouldn't throw them the same.I agree, but what if each Roc thrower throws a beat Roc in a similar stability to a Buzzz? I haven't tossed a Buzzz in a long time, is it even possible to beat in a Roc like a brand new Buzzz? I assume you could do it.