I picked up a Z Flick a while back to break in as a forehand disc. It isn't there yet, but it is probably the best over head disc I have ever had my hands on. Remember that Flicks are a really narrow profile specifically for throwing forehand and as such the design that makes it overstable isn't fool proof. Predators have all the traditional designs for overstability thus making them more fool proof but with a higher profile, much more difficult to get a good forehand shot with.