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How many strokes do non Innova pro's lose
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AcesandChains
Birdie Member
^^This!
Switching all the discs out of your bag leads to some growing pains.
And by the way, picking Quest to prove your challenge shows how weak your argument is.
Innova makes some great discs, don't get me wrong. But so does Latitude, Prodigy, and many others. And as far as fairway drivers go, I would counter that the Stag and the River are two of the best fairway drivers out there. I also think the Volt is a fantastic fairway driver. But these are just my opinions.
Like many others, I won't vote because there isn't a 0 option.
Streets
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False. There is no "better" Leopard.
To be fair, they're all discs based mostly off of Innova, with slight changes. There's only so much you can do with a disc to make it "different".
I'd wager that as long as I had a disc from other companies than what I'm currently throwing to fit into each stability slot, I could learn to throw them how I needed to without much loss in my scores.
Except Wizards...I'd miss the plastic WAYYYYY too much.
I'd wager that as long as I had a disc from other companies than what I'm currently throwing to fit into each stability slot, I could learn to throw them how I needed to without much loss in my scores.
Except Wizards...I'd miss the plastic WAYYYYY too much.
tbird888
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*cough* Patriot *cough*
I need to get my hands on a Patriot...
Is it longer than a Leopard?
Is it longer than a Leopard?
tampabay
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I get that. I like throw my putter for a lot of approaches and drives off the tee so it works out well for me. Trilogy definitely does have a different speed range for the mids/fairways/drivers. Trident is incredible, for some reason, people refer to it as a tweener mid yet it has a 1.9 rim...not sure why.
Curtis_Valk
Eagle Member
I voted 4. Sorry, had to. All this time and the little guy had received no votes!
madmax88
Eagle Member
Obviously, a player who throws whichever discs he/she prefers will be at their optimal performance. Once you limit the disc selection to one company there will be disadvantage(however slight). Innova has the largest selection(hundreds of varieties and three brands). For this reason I assume Innova sponsored players have a slight advantage over players sponsored by other manufactures.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
jenb
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I just don't think there is any evidence that Innova pros get stroked more.
Very charitable.
I suspect a touch of sarcasm among the 5+ votes. Though I love the notion that there are discs than can make a 5 stroke difference, or more. It gives me the hope that one day I'll stumble across them, and be 5 strokes better without correcting my form flaws.
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Which team is Catrina on?
DiscinFiend
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She likes to switch teams...she got Colglazied
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Trilogy Fairways: Saint Pro, Fury, Saint, River, xXx, Striker,Trident, Vision, Stag, Hatchet, Underworld, Escape = 12 discs
Innova Fairways: Viper, Banshee, Whippet, Teebird, Gazelle, Eagle, TL, Cheetah, Leopard = 9 discs
You could then argue that Trilogy has 7 discs that are very good and usable, Innova only 3. And this doesn't even include companies like Discraft, MVP....
Anyway, I bet McBeth would kick your ass with a lid from my grandma's pan.
Innova Fairways: Viper, Banshee, Whippet, Teebird, Gazelle, Eagle, TL, Cheetah, Leopard = 9 discs
You could then argue that Trilogy has 7 discs that are very good and usable, Innova only 3. And this doesn't even include companies like Discraft, MVP....
Anyway, I bet McBeth would kick your ass with a lid from my grandma's pan.
TRILOGY
Saint Pro - Speed 8
Fury - Speed 9
Saint - Speed 9
River - Speed 7
XXX - Speed 7
Striker - Speed 9
Trident - Speed 5
Vision - Speed 8
Stag - Speed 8
Hatchet - Not yet released - Speed 9
Underworld - Speed 7
Escape - Speed 9
Diamond - Speed 8
Jade - Speed 9
Witness - Yet to be released
Total "Fairways" - 15
Speed 6's and 7's - 3 or 5 if you count the warship and the witness
INNOVA
Viper - Speed 6
Whippet - Speed 6
Gazelle - Speed 6
Cheetah - Speed 6
Leopard - Speed 6
Banshee - Speed 7
Teebird - Speed 7
Eagle X - Speed 7
Eagle L - Speed 7
TL - Speed 7
Dragon - Speed 8
Archangel - Speed 8
Firebird - Speed 9
FL - Speed 9
Viking - Speed 9
Valkyrie - Speed 9
Sidewinder - Speed 9
Roadrunner - Speed 9
Total "Fairways" - 17
Speed 6's and 7's - 9
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So if you want to compare the trilogy and Innova then I would suggest putting the numbers on an even playing field.
Also I could have added the speed 6's through 9's from Discmania and Millennium to further the numbers for Innova.
And the reason why I broke it down by Speed 6's and 7's is because I consider the speed 8's though 10's to be tweeners. Not quite fairways yet not quite distance drivers.
Saint Pro - Speed 8
Fury - Speed 9
Saint - Speed 9
River - Speed 7
XXX - Speed 7
Striker - Speed 9
Trident - Speed 5
Vision - Speed 8
Stag - Speed 8
Hatchet - Not yet released - Speed 9
Underworld - Speed 7
Escape - Speed 9
Diamond - Speed 8
Jade - Speed 9
Witness - Yet to be released
Total "Fairways" - 15
Speed 6's and 7's - 3 or 5 if you count the warship and the witness
INNOVA
Viper - Speed 6
Whippet - Speed 6
Gazelle - Speed 6
Cheetah - Speed 6
Leopard - Speed 6
Banshee - Speed 7
Teebird - Speed 7
Eagle X - Speed 7
Eagle L - Speed 7
TL - Speed 7
Dragon - Speed 8
Archangel - Speed 8
Firebird - Speed 9
FL - Speed 9
Viking - Speed 9
Valkyrie - Speed 9
Sidewinder - Speed 9
Roadrunner - Speed 9
Total "Fairways" - 17
Speed 6's and 7's - 9
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So if you want to compare the trilogy and Innova then I would suggest putting the numbers on an even playing field.
Also I could have added the speed 6's through 9's from Discmania and Millennium to further the numbers for Innova.
And the reason why I broke it down by Speed 6's and 7's is because I consider the speed 8's though 10's to be tweeners. Not quite fairways yet not quite distance drivers.
bthoma1
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tampabay
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I really think it makes more sense to use rim width. The trident's rim is 1.9 and it's listed as a speed 5?
However, the escape is called a fairway, but the orc is not...I honestly think Horsman has a great point. Innova clearly puts a much higher emphasis on the 1.6/1.7 range. The trilogy lineup caters to those who really want to stretch their mids, then disc up for the fairway slot a little bit.
Trilogy has longer fairways than innova, I don't think there is really room for discussion Let me be clear, I'm not saying better, I'm saying faster.
Agreed with you there. I just think they need to start working on the slower Speed 6 and 7 fairways and not the faster ones. Myself and others like the 6's and 7's because they can hold a line a bit longer than the faster fairways/tweeners.
pnasalberta
Eagle Member
In Feldburge's interview on disc golf talk radio he said his game suffered because he didnt have anything broken in. I think that after the initial switch a player is not completely comfortable however most major companies have the molds that a good player can throw with a little practice. I think this year will show that it is more of the player not the disc. That being said mcbeth has a huge advantage because he has thrown the molds in his bag for longer than the prodigy guys or trilogy.
She likes to switch teams...she got Colglazied
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