I know what you mean. I loaded up DX Leopards when that was my best disc, now I don't use them at all. But, having 5 of them to throw at practice probably helped me get better faster, too. Having discs that go far, and are fun to throw, makes me want to play and practice more. Although, yeah, hopefully I eventually outgrow most of them, and hopefully sooner than later. But, at $6 each, buy three on Friday and get a free disc to offset $6 shipping - $24 for four discs is pretty affordable to have fun throwing them, especially if I find another one that I can throw like this one. I am actually heading to my practice field tonight to throw my Mambas, and one light weight Hatchett and Gold Diamond that are pretty flippy, to practice just my hyzer flip to flat discs - see if I can figure out at least one more of these. If I can figure even one more, then for now maybe I don't need to buy more, searching for another Mamba that gets me my best distance. That Diamond might be the answer - I have got good distance with it at times, but it has not been as consistent so far as the one Mamba - maybe just need to figure it out.