JR
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Wind ridden soccer field that has previously proved to be treacherous with rapidly changing wind direction with horrible gusts and swirls. Today it was multiplied. This really tested wind handling capability of discs. I'll only mention the most interesting results for me for the sake of brevity.
As a disclaimer I'll note that my form is changing for the better. Today had only few well snapped drives with run up and x step. I wasn't going for max D but a bit more manageable and accurate 90 % D with full arm power less than full leg twist back at the reach back.
The best snapped throws weren't full efforts to keep the nose down as much as possible for some snapping ability without locking my wrist or slowing down my arm too much. The set that I really tried to focus my acceleration to as late as I've ever been able gave me unfamiliar results. I snapped well in comparison to previous form.
The throws in the technically good set were done into a headwind that varied between about 28-35 MPH in gusts with each disc getting at least 28 MPH at some point in the flight. I threw low throws with intentional slight s-curves to test where my max headwind distance lies with each disc. I didn't get reliable results into these conditions. Two step run up before hopped x step. I flipped my Max. It rolled far. It is the least headwind flipping resistant disc out of the batch I threw this time. Raging Inferno SRP 169 new mold went the farthest out of this lot only because I was able to adjust how I threw it after seeing what happened to my S Spirit 130 and Z Pred 172. I gave less anny and put the nose down farther after seeing the Pred stay annied the whole way to ground at 7 degree anny moving about 25' to the right. The Pred was less annied in the beginning and equally flat nosed as the Spirit that went at 10 degree anny to the ground 45' to the right. I've never annied the Spirit or the Pred to the ground. I'm not worried yet because they are still very predicatable for me when thrown on a low line drive without anny. Although the Spirit can't take wind as well because it's too light for these kinds of conditions.
My snapping experiments seem to bear fruit in a bit of advancement but that seems to bring new topics to the table that need to be learnt. One lesson was swapping out my 168 CFR TRX and substituting it with a 175. It is a bit more prone to fading but not enough for 20' apex mild distance s-curves in this kind of weather even with less snap than my max capability. Thrown without my best snapping and max speed from run up it seems marginally more HSS than the 168 gram disc. Too little difference in this kind of weather or for calm low line drives. If I wanna get certainty that full power throws released flat won't turn over too much and drop to the ground too early at high speeds. Slight hyzers initially seem to be requirements for me on low throws at full speed. Or taking off power or throwing higher. It took me a bit over half a year to grow out of this mold for prevention of flipping over with little or no OAT with flat release.
Preds to the rescue but I'll have to seek a more HSS version than Z 172 for the sickest conditions we have here for the throws that need to be as long as possible. Today wasn't even close to the hammering we've gotten. I estimate that the hardest headwind gusts I've thrown to are about 55 MPH. No joke.
For the first time I've seen why Champ Orc gets so much love. I gave it about half to two thirds of my best snap with walking x step less than full power 10 degree hyzer throw apexing at about 17' annying with a mild s-curve. I was astonished to see the relative distance. With the right throw I might make my distance record with this baby. I was yanking other discs much harder with and without as hard snap for same distance on similar lines and better lines for given discs for not much more improvement. This is a very long disc. Too bad the woods and ceilings around here don't allow many opportunities for the kind of altitude this disc needs thrown by me. There's one huge uphill throw that needs to go farther than with any disc I've tried so far with hyzer that I need to try with this disc despite the hazards. That's one of the few holes around here that I haven't been able to deuce yet. Rubbing hands together
I didn't have too much luck with mids today. The reason I was airing out distance annies at different heights today was that my back muscles were getting so tired that keeping upright with the hardest of run ups wasn't consistent. Two hard days of exercise under the belt. Lower back arching led too often to annies so I couldn't really do a fair test between E Sabre, DX Roc and X Storm. All I know is that all of them can be thrown about the wind more than I like for tunnels with hard snapping and less than full power. Storm flips over the easiest but is way longer than the Sabre which is a bit longer than the Roc. I don't like the amount of LSS being too much with the Sabre for anything else than full power drives in this weather. Anything less than 3xx' gives too much right to left movement in the end for tunnel work. The Storm isn't reliable enough in the wind trying to push the distance as isn't the Roc. With the Roc having distinct advantage per given power. I didn't try to reduce the power on the Storm to similar distance to see if it would get as reliable or better. That's a test I'm definitely gonna make later.
For windy conditions I really really liked the stabler fairway drivers in my collection. I tried to snap hard with less than full power on low line drives and for the first time got results that I've read about but not seen with a DX Teebird 175 trashed on the edges and a SRP 163 proto T-Bone. Both flew very straight. And far enough given the reduced power and the conditions in relation to the Roc and Storm given how they get touchy about more power and form deficiencies. I was surprised to see how much more distance I got with hard snapping and little power vs full power and little snap. With relatively low apexes too sufficient for many low ceiling drives. For the first time these babies have a useful golfable purpose in my bag. I really look forward to learning these discs well and especially in calm weather. With reduced power Z XS 17x is ok for low lines with little fade when throwing over 170'.
New condition initial type of DX 150 Teerex really liked even a little bit of snap compared to no snap on medium altitudes nose flat throws. This time I got speeds I was expecting earlier of a fast disc in this low weight. Fairly easy to keep on a long line far before the onset of fade on low throws. I need more throws with this baby with low line drives snapped hard. Should move and far.
SOLF behaved much better than what I'm used to after getting more heigth than ever before with it. I annied it to maybe 60' and that try was too steeply up so it stalled to 240'. Gotta try this baby again with the same apex heigth but farther down range in the apex with higher speed for record distances. Finally I'm seeing signs of great D potential I know this disc has. It just surprised me how high I need to throw it but even on a botched throw I really loved what I saw. This disc will get impressive D with maximum distance lines :-D
Today was the first day of trying to really get heigth on max D line annies with any disc. I had to stop after about a dozen tries because my back was giving warnings of not liking it. Before that I got my heigth record of around 70' with *D. A few feet more would've been better because it landed flat. It's a bit broken in and straighter than new. I'm fairly certain that I threw it too steeply up. It went to 310' and slid some more. The wind was calm during this throw. It's interesting to see what it does on better throws in the summer or riding a back left wind ;-) This sucker will seem small from the tee in the end.
This was the first time I got nice results with my broken x Talon 167-169. I need a 150 and expect the world out of it. I'm just afraid that it'll have to be Z plastic for durability on the courses around here. That'll put a dampener on my joy with that mold I'm afraid. Still I expect great results.
Wind handling of my champ Leopard left things to be desired like with the TRXs so I'll get Gazelles to compliment the Lep just like Preds to complement TRXs for windy days at least. Time will tell if I'll cut molds in playing bag after familiarization with the Gazelle and different Preds that I have to buy. I'm also not yet experienced enough to make an informed decision about when to throw with 50-80 % power and when not to so that'll keep minimizing molds a low priority.
Champ Starfire performed ok on high s-curves with tight power grips for reduced flipping over. Still I've got as controllable or more so discs that go as far or farther so it stays out of the bag. With power grip gripping tight and throwing with hard snap and little power I still couldn't get straight reliable flight out of Pro 173 Beast. No bag material there unless I think of another role.
My beaten D line CD1 is too little HSS and can't handle winds even with reduced power so it stays out of the bag. Adjusting for the wind I took with me my E 172 RIDT instead of the lower weigths that I usually carry. No gust handling ability for headwinds. Only small winds with little reduced powers can be tackled with this disc and it's almost new as I've spared it for windy days by throwing my lower weighted RIDTs.
Very informative and teaching day to say the least. I found many aveneues of improving my overall game and knowledge. I have to have plenty of practice sessions just to find out more about things I've thought of today. Who knows what I come up with testing this batch of ideas. There's never an end to learning is there? Rhetorical question
As a disclaimer I'll note that my form is changing for the better. Today had only few well snapped drives with run up and x step. I wasn't going for max D but a bit more manageable and accurate 90 % D with full arm power less than full leg twist back at the reach back.
The best snapped throws weren't full efforts to keep the nose down as much as possible for some snapping ability without locking my wrist or slowing down my arm too much. The set that I really tried to focus my acceleration to as late as I've ever been able gave me unfamiliar results. I snapped well in comparison to previous form.
The throws in the technically good set were done into a headwind that varied between about 28-35 MPH in gusts with each disc getting at least 28 MPH at some point in the flight. I threw low throws with intentional slight s-curves to test where my max headwind distance lies with each disc. I didn't get reliable results into these conditions. Two step run up before hopped x step. I flipped my Max. It rolled far. It is the least headwind flipping resistant disc out of the batch I threw this time. Raging Inferno SRP 169 new mold went the farthest out of this lot only because I was able to adjust how I threw it after seeing what happened to my S Spirit 130 and Z Pred 172. I gave less anny and put the nose down farther after seeing the Pred stay annied the whole way to ground at 7 degree anny moving about 25' to the right. The Pred was less annied in the beginning and equally flat nosed as the Spirit that went at 10 degree anny to the ground 45' to the right. I've never annied the Spirit or the Pred to the ground. I'm not worried yet because they are still very predicatable for me when thrown on a low line drive without anny. Although the Spirit can't take wind as well because it's too light for these kinds of conditions.
My snapping experiments seem to bear fruit in a bit of advancement but that seems to bring new topics to the table that need to be learnt. One lesson was swapping out my 168 CFR TRX and substituting it with a 175. It is a bit more prone to fading but not enough for 20' apex mild distance s-curves in this kind of weather even with less snap than my max capability. Thrown without my best snapping and max speed from run up it seems marginally more HSS than the 168 gram disc. Too little difference in this kind of weather or for calm low line drives. If I wanna get certainty that full power throws released flat won't turn over too much and drop to the ground too early at high speeds. Slight hyzers initially seem to be requirements for me on low throws at full speed. Or taking off power or throwing higher. It took me a bit over half a year to grow out of this mold for prevention of flipping over with little or no OAT with flat release.
Preds to the rescue but I'll have to seek a more HSS version than Z 172 for the sickest conditions we have here for the throws that need to be as long as possible. Today wasn't even close to the hammering we've gotten. I estimate that the hardest headwind gusts I've thrown to are about 55 MPH. No joke.
For the first time I've seen why Champ Orc gets so much love. I gave it about half to two thirds of my best snap with walking x step less than full power 10 degree hyzer throw apexing at about 17' annying with a mild s-curve. I was astonished to see the relative distance. With the right throw I might make my distance record with this baby. I was yanking other discs much harder with and without as hard snap for same distance on similar lines and better lines for given discs for not much more improvement. This is a very long disc. Too bad the woods and ceilings around here don't allow many opportunities for the kind of altitude this disc needs thrown by me. There's one huge uphill throw that needs to go farther than with any disc I've tried so far with hyzer that I need to try with this disc despite the hazards. That's one of the few holes around here that I haven't been able to deuce yet. Rubbing hands together
I didn't have too much luck with mids today. The reason I was airing out distance annies at different heights today was that my back muscles were getting so tired that keeping upright with the hardest of run ups wasn't consistent. Two hard days of exercise under the belt. Lower back arching led too often to annies so I couldn't really do a fair test between E Sabre, DX Roc and X Storm. All I know is that all of them can be thrown about the wind more than I like for tunnels with hard snapping and less than full power. Storm flips over the easiest but is way longer than the Sabre which is a bit longer than the Roc. I don't like the amount of LSS being too much with the Sabre for anything else than full power drives in this weather. Anything less than 3xx' gives too much right to left movement in the end for tunnel work. The Storm isn't reliable enough in the wind trying to push the distance as isn't the Roc. With the Roc having distinct advantage per given power. I didn't try to reduce the power on the Storm to similar distance to see if it would get as reliable or better. That's a test I'm definitely gonna make later.
For windy conditions I really really liked the stabler fairway drivers in my collection. I tried to snap hard with less than full power on low line drives and for the first time got results that I've read about but not seen with a DX Teebird 175 trashed on the edges and a SRP 163 proto T-Bone. Both flew very straight. And far enough given the reduced power and the conditions in relation to the Roc and Storm given how they get touchy about more power and form deficiencies. I was surprised to see how much more distance I got with hard snapping and little power vs full power and little snap. With relatively low apexes too sufficient for many low ceiling drives. For the first time these babies have a useful golfable purpose in my bag. I really look forward to learning these discs well and especially in calm weather. With reduced power Z XS 17x is ok for low lines with little fade when throwing over 170'.
New condition initial type of DX 150 Teerex really liked even a little bit of snap compared to no snap on medium altitudes nose flat throws. This time I got speeds I was expecting earlier of a fast disc in this low weight. Fairly easy to keep on a long line far before the onset of fade on low throws. I need more throws with this baby with low line drives snapped hard. Should move and far.
SOLF behaved much better than what I'm used to after getting more heigth than ever before with it. I annied it to maybe 60' and that try was too steeply up so it stalled to 240'. Gotta try this baby again with the same apex heigth but farther down range in the apex with higher speed for record distances. Finally I'm seeing signs of great D potential I know this disc has. It just surprised me how high I need to throw it but even on a botched throw I really loved what I saw. This disc will get impressive D with maximum distance lines :-D
Today was the first day of trying to really get heigth on max D line annies with any disc. I had to stop after about a dozen tries because my back was giving warnings of not liking it. Before that I got my heigth record of around 70' with *D. A few feet more would've been better because it landed flat. It's a bit broken in and straighter than new. I'm fairly certain that I threw it too steeply up. It went to 310' and slid some more. The wind was calm during this throw. It's interesting to see what it does on better throws in the summer or riding a back left wind ;-) This sucker will seem small from the tee in the end.
This was the first time I got nice results with my broken x Talon 167-169. I need a 150 and expect the world out of it. I'm just afraid that it'll have to be Z plastic for durability on the courses around here. That'll put a dampener on my joy with that mold I'm afraid. Still I expect great results.
Wind handling of my champ Leopard left things to be desired like with the TRXs so I'll get Gazelles to compliment the Lep just like Preds to complement TRXs for windy days at least. Time will tell if I'll cut molds in playing bag after familiarization with the Gazelle and different Preds that I have to buy. I'm also not yet experienced enough to make an informed decision about when to throw with 50-80 % power and when not to so that'll keep minimizing molds a low priority.
Champ Starfire performed ok on high s-curves with tight power grips for reduced flipping over. Still I've got as controllable or more so discs that go as far or farther so it stays out of the bag. With power grip gripping tight and throwing with hard snap and little power I still couldn't get straight reliable flight out of Pro 173 Beast. No bag material there unless I think of another role.
My beaten D line CD1 is too little HSS and can't handle winds even with reduced power so it stays out of the bag. Adjusting for the wind I took with me my E 172 RIDT instead of the lower weigths that I usually carry. No gust handling ability for headwinds. Only small winds with little reduced powers can be tackled with this disc and it's almost new as I've spared it for windy days by throwing my lower weighted RIDTs.
Very informative and teaching day to say the least. I found many aveneues of improving my overall game and knowledge. I have to have plenty of practice sessions just to find out more about things I've thought of today. Who knows what I come up with testing this batch of ideas. There's never an end to learning is there? Rhetorical question
