Phantom Discs
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Read this on the PDGA site. I figured I would share.
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I posted this same thread and it was deleted for some reason.
I still don't like the idea of players sharing in the responisbility. The manufacturers would have no problem making discs within specs and should be subject to fines and penalties if they don't. I'm currently not buying max weight discs and have been weighing my discs before I throw them. Ridiculous :thmbdown:
Why would the PDGA issue fines to a company? I think if a company knowingly kept producing overweight discs, the PDGA would just rescind their approval of the disc. Oh wait, they haven't and won't do that to Innova who produces thousands of discs marked 175, and around 1/3rd of them are overweight.You want a governing body that has no real power to issue fines to small business that are pretty small in terms of manufacturing??
I agree with this.Every manufacture let's some heavy discs slip through and if a player is passionate about playing in tourts his responsibility to play by the rules of the game and make sure his equipment is within spec of the game he is choosing to play.
Why would the PDGA issue fines to a company? I think if a company knowingly kept producing overweight discs, the PDGA would just rescind their approval of the disc. Oh wait, they haven't and won't do that to Innova who produces thousands of discs marked 175, and around 1/3rd of them are overweight.
If a person, that regularly plays in PDGA tournaments and knows the rules, knew a disc was overweight, ethically they shouldn't buy it if they plan on using it in sanction events, but some probably still would. Which is why the PDGA is saying it's the manufacturers' and players' responsibility to produce and use equipment that meet their standards.If the PDGA revoked approval of every disc that was produced overweight, we'd be throwing nothing.
I still don't like the idea of players sharing in the responisbility. The manufacturers would have no problem making discs within specs and should be subject to fines and penalties if they don't. I'm currently not buying max weight discs and have been weighing my discs before I throw them. Ridiculous :thmbdown:
And i bet that the reason previous thread was closed is due to single comments that crossed a line of rude ness or something like that. Only takes on post to derail a thread past landfill.
If a person, that regularly plays in PDGA tournaments and knows the rules, knew a disc was overweight, ethically they shouldn't buy it if they plan on using it in sanction events, but some probably still would. Which is why the PDGA is saying it's the manufacturers' and players' responsibility to produce and use equipment that meet their standards.
Well, there are environmental factors that play a part in the weight....although only slightly. Moisture/humidity has an effect on discs, especially the more porous ones. So realistically the same disc in AZ will weigh less than if it was in say FL.
Personally I think the solution is incredibly easy. Submit discs a few grams over your intended "max weight" for approval. Then if it goes over a little there is nothing to be concerned with. So company running discs at 175 for max should submit max weight discs at 178+. That should cancel out the majority of illegal discs. It always seemed silly to leave yourself with a 1g or less tolerance.
Or players could just realize that a 173g disc is no different from a 175. But then they wouldn't get to say max weight anymore....
Which is why they should remove individual comments not entire threads. Would make a WHOLE lot more LOGIC
I am amazed at the liberal minded logic of "it's not my fault I'm doing something illegal and it's not my responsibility to check myself to make sure I am playing by the rules, it's somebody elses"
****ing WOW!
Oh look, Mr Ignorant wants to bring politics into it...YEAH!!
Sure put all the blame on the player who went to the store and picked up a disc they liked that was stamped PDGA Approved and purchased the item.
Don't blame the manufacturer who knowingly or unknowingly produced out of spec product and chose to push it out the door anyways. Same manufacturer that somehow bypasses QC checks and puts false stickers on discs.
Don't blame the store who brought them in and also refused to help head this off and weigh the discs. Why go thru the hassle of refusing out of spec product when you can just put it on the shelf and move on.
Don't blame the PDGA who takes the money from the manufacturer, approves their molds and then puts all the responsibility on everyone else but themselves. Surely they dont want to turn away money, just responsibility and accountability.
But by golly those scumbag players are just the worst, paying full price for a brand new disc stamped PDGA approved and taking it to the course to perform illegal activities with. When will they grow up and purchase a scale to weigh every disc, a QC dept to bring along with them to the disc store to head off the problem and a governing body of their own to deem the legal or illegal. Players are the worst.