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i cant find what the flight ratings of my phenix i just bought are..... can anyone help?
Did Rick LeBeau just randomly post on DGCR? The Internet is such a silly place.
Rando cool factor trivia about the Phenix: When the original Aero mold wore out they retooled it to make the Phenix, so the Phenix had the really old tooling that had been on the Aero. I think it said "CHAMPION DISCS, INC." instead of Innova-Champion like the tooling on the rest of the discs.
I don't remember how long ago, but I think I may have asked about flight numbers for the Shadow, Tracer and Eclipse...I might have asked for the Phenix as well. Researching....
I have no idea what any flight numbers mean if the Phenix was speed 7.I don't remember how long ago, but I think I may have asked about flight numbers for the Shadow, Tracer and Eclipse...I might have asked for the Phenix as well. Researching....
I have no idea what any flight numbers mean if the Phenix was speed 7.
I would have put the Phenix a speed 5. The Eclipse I could go speed 6 except...Innova calls the Stingray a speed 4 now? If the Stingray is speed 4 the Eclipse would be speed 5, right? No way no how a Phenix was faster than an Eclipse, right?
Or I'm wrong. Probably I'm wrong.
Anyway, I think if a Stingray is a 4/5/-3/1 and Eclipse would be a 5/5/-2/2, right? They still call a Gazelle a speed 6 and it was faster than an Eclipse. So a speed 5 for an Eclipse seems resonable.
No way a Phenix was faster than a Gazelle. No way no how. I'm calling the Phenix a speed 4 or 5. TeeBirds are speed 7; I can't think of anything I could smoke that would convince me the Phenix was as fast as a TeeBird.
I'm not Dave Dunipace, though.
Shadow and Tracer? Tracer I'd guess 5/4/-1/1. Shadow I don't remember at all, and I think the only one I ever had I got in a trade so I never threw one new. No guess.
All of these guesses are null and void if the Phenix was speed 7. :|
Wow.....yous guys have got to be old.
It seems all relative. The Eclipse was a sharp edged, high speed driver, in its day. Never figured out how to throw it that hard.
As far as I recall the Shadow had more dome and was flipper than a Tracer, and there was a Shadow Xtra that was supposed to be more stable than the the Shadow. I'm pretty sure all variations of the Shadow were OOP by '95 when I started selling discs, because it was off the order form by then. Tracers and Marauders were still around, but the Shadow was already gone.Yeah
Someone probably smarter then me looked at the disc specs. on the PDGA site (just guessing) and knows the computations involved. I thought the numbers were based off of rim width and height, the Phenix was a wide and tall rim unlike anything I can think of now days. So color me confused as well...
The Shadow was basically a domey Tracer if my memory serves me...
but there was a Step Shadow released that was more over-stable then the normal Shadow. The Step Shadow had a rim shape similar to X-Clone.
This is where all this stuff gets messed up.Yeah, I agree with those earlier who said the Phenix couldn't be speed 7. Viper, Whippet, and Gazelle are now called speed 6. I never had a Phenix but had those other three back in the day.
Cyclones were state of the art when my interest in the sport ramped up big time in 1996. That's when I moved to an area with a good club (the Capital City Renegades in Lansing, MI). According to the Marshall Street chart I'm looking at, that's a 7. I saw a local pro pin a 400' wooded tunnel hole (Grand Woods #3) with a black one that year and I'll never forget it. Looked like space age stuff to me!
Which is the reality of flight numbers; they are a marketing tool. It's not science. You can call the Viper a speed 6 and a Stingray speed 4 so that the marketing of the discs makes sense because there really isn't a definition of what speed is. Anyone who is really hung up on the numbers and wants proof that they are fubar just needs to take a Stingray and a Viper out and throw them; I'm very confident the reality that these numbers are made up will strike you as you do that.