Selecting a disc basket for a new course

[JeremyKShort]

I've always pushed for discatchers at all the courses I've been involved with. One of the guys in our club got to talking with Schusterick, and that lead to us getting the new Prodigy baskets (Will said we were the first to get them shipped). These baskets are really stinking nice, as good a quality as the discatchers. We haven't gotten them installed yet, actually not even assembled (the University is having their logo added to them so they're still at the sign shop), so none of us have putted on them yet. The chain pattern looks pretty awesome.

 

[tomdizzlefizzle]

Discatchers!

 

[Discette]

Innova DISCatchers are Number One!

The Innova Discatcher is the most popular target in the world using the DGCR database. The PDGA Database also proves the DISCatcher target is number one and installed on more courses worldwide than any other brand. The data is very similar even though PDGA only lists 4709 courses compared with DGCR's list of 6548 courses.


As of 12/10/14 using the PDGA Course Database:

The PDGA lists 4709 courses worldwide and 1562 have DISCatcher targets or 33.2%. DGA is second with 1354.


Discatcher courses account for 33.2% of the total courses listed on PDGA and 32.3% on DGCR. DGA has 28.8% of the total on PDGA and 27.4% on DGCR.

Just to update

The Innova DISCatcher Target is still the most popular disc golf target in the world. The Innova DISCatcher is chosen more than any other brand for new course installations.

As of 12-5-2014 using the DGCR Database:

There are currently 6548 courses worldwide and 2112 have DISCatcher targets or 32.3%. DGA holds second place with 1797 courses.


The Innova DISCatcher target remains the top selling target for new course installations. Of the 3453 courses installed between 2007 and 2014, 1377 (or 39.9%) used Innova DISCatcher brand targets.


More annual course target data by year*:

2014 337 new courses, 132 DISCatcher ( 39.2 %)
2013 439 courses, 171 DISCatcher (39.0%)
2012 473 courses, 190 DISCatcher (40.2%)
2011 464 courses, 183 DISCatcher (39.4%)
2010 426 courses, 171 DISCatcher (40.1%)
2009 440 courses, 191 DISCatcher (43.4%)
2008 364 courses, 151 DISCatcher (41.5%)
2007 354 courses, 139 DISCatcher (39.3%)


(*Original data from DGCR 6/6/13 updated 12/5/14)

 

[sprintermatt]

Are we reaching market saturation since new courses are trending on the decline since 2012's peak?

I think it may be due to the method of recording. New courses don't always get logged, and the PDGA tends to be a less popular place to register a new course these days. The 2014 data is also not finalized.

I wouldn't say it's trending down, Private courses are on the rise, and those don't always utilize permanent targets or approved manufacturer targets, which is where much of the data is coming from, I'd hazard a guess.

 

[Discette]

Innova DISCatchers are still number one

Time for an annual update

The Innova DISCatcher target is installed on more disc golf courses worldwide than any other brand. As of 1-27-16 using the DGCR Database: There are a total of 6467 courses worldwide and 2240 have Innova DISCatchers (34.6%). DGA is next with 1721 courses (26.6%).


In 2015, the INNOVA DISCatcher target remains the top choice for new course installations.

2015 401 new courses, 165 DISCatcher Targets (41.1%), 86 DGA Targets (21.4%)
2014 483 courses, 211 DISCatcher (43.7%), 104 DGA (21.5%)
2013 530 courses, 201 DISCatcher (37.9%)
2012 549 courses, 224 DISCatcher (40.8%)
2011 490 courses, 197 DISCatcher (40.2%)
2010 424 courses, 164 DISCatcher (38.7%)
2009 423 courses, 185 DISCatcher (43.7%)
2008 327 courses, 151 DISCatcher (46.2%)
2007 317 courses, 121 DISCatcher (38.2%), 85 DGA (26.8%)

*All Data Updated 1-27-2016

The PDGA Database also shows INNOVA DISCatcher Targets are used on more courses than any other brand. As of 1-27-2016 the PDGA lists 5387 courses: 1763 DISCatcher (32.7%), 1511 DGA (28.0%)

Again, no matter which database you want to use, the Innova DISCatcher target is installed on more disc golf courses worldwide than any other brand.

 

[Discette]

Innova DISCatcher Targets are Still Number One

Time for an annual update. I am not sure where I posted the target data for 2016 and 2017. Apparently it wasn't on this thread.


The DGCR database again shows Innova DISCatcher Targets are installed on more courses around the world than any other target.


As of 2/1/19 DGCR Database:
Active Courses Worldwide: 8702
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 3021 or 34.7%
2nd Place - DGA All varieties :2029 or 23.2%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 459 or 5.3%


Active Courses in the US: 6773
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 2285 or 33.7%
2nd Place - DGA All Varieties: 1925 or 28.8%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 442 or 6.5%


The Innova DISCatcher remains the top choice for new course installations

New Courses Worldwide in 2018: 438
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 125 or 29.2%
2nd Place - DGA all varieties: 80 or 18.3%
3rd Place - Dynamic all varieies: 70 or 16.0%

 

[RootsDiscGolf]

Time for an annual update. I am not sure where I posted the target data for 2016 and 2017. Apparently it wasn't on this thread.


The DGCR database again shows Innova DISCatcher Targets are installed on more courses around the world than any other target.


As of 2/1/19 DGCR Database:
Active Courses Worldwide: 8702
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 3021 or 34.7%
2nd Place - DGA All varieties :2029 or 23.2%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 459 or 5.3%


Active Courses in the US: 6773
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 2285 or 33.7%
2nd Place - DGA All Varieties: 1925 or 28.8%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 442 or 6.5%


The Innova DISCatcher remains the top choice for new course installations

New Courses Worldwide in 2018: 438
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 125 or 29.2%
2nd Place - DGA all varieties: 80 or 18.3%
3rd Place - Dynamic all varieies: 70 or 16.0%

I believe I am going with Dynamic on the course I'm building.

 

[Casey 1988]

Where I live in South Dakota the DGA models mostly newer Mach III models or Mach V are used but the second is the Innova DISCatcher models and third is other or Chainstar Pro as those are replacing the old Chainstar on lots of courses that hate them and they then scrap the old Chainstar baskets if they do not go to a beginner course in that town that needs actual baskets not homemade.

 

[Discette]

Time for an annual update.

The DGCR database again shows Innova DISCatcher Targets are installed on more courses around the world than any other target.


As of 1/14/2020 DGCR Database:
Active Courses Worldwide: 9237
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 3211 or 34.76%
2nd Place - DGA All varieties :2091 or 22.63%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 483 or 5.22%


Active Courses in the US: 7127
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 2401 or 33.68%
2nd Place - DGA All Varieties: 2009 or 28.18%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar: 464 or 6.51%


The Innova DISCatcher target remained the top choice for new course installations:

New Courses Worldwide in 2019: 356
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 110 or 30.89%
2nd Place - DGA all varieties: 58 or 16.29%
3rd Place - Prodigy: 40 or 11.23%
(last year DD was in 3rd)

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Doesen't seem like the ChainStar Pro has been as well received as Discraft might have hoped...

 

[Nick Pacific]

Doesen't seem like the ChainStar Pro has been as well received as Discraft might have hoped...

Probably going to take awhile for them to gain more popularity. I know locally here in Metro Detroit the Kensington courses now have them and rumor has it that Cass Benton (2000 worlds course) may soon get them too.

Either way, I don't think Discraft really loses any significant money regardless of how well they sell. There aren't any sunk costs involved, the baskets aren't perishable, and I would imagine there is at least some sort of just in time/supply chain production going on where it's not like they have thousands of them sitting around collecting dust.

I'd imagine at this point they're pretty good at forecast accounting and make what they can sell.

 

[esdubya]

110 new course worldwide for the #1 Discatcher targets. That's best case 1,980 targets x $400 each = $792k revenue. At a (decent) margin of 20%, that's only $158k profit, a small drop in the bucket when compared with disc sales.

From what I can tell targets don't have a very good margin, 20% is just a swag and I'd be surprised if it was that high. The economies of scale just aren't there yet. This is why it's so hard to get any kind of discount from a manufacturer, despite almost all of the targets being manufactured overseas.

So course designers: don't plan on getting much of a discount on targets, they are already priced low and the competition is going to keep them low.

 

[Discette]

110 new course worldwide for the #1 Discatcher targets. That's best case 1,980 targets x $400 each = $792k revenue. At a (decent) margin of 20%, that's only $158k profit, a small drop in the bucket when compared with disc sales.

From what I can tell targets don't have a very good margin, 20% is just a swag and I'd be surprised if it was that high. The economies of scale just aren't there yet. This is why it's so hard to get any kind of discount from a manufacturer, despite almost all of the targets being manufactured overseas.

So course designers: don't plan on getting much of a discount on targets, they are already priced low and the competition is going to keep them low.

FYI - DISCatcher Pro 28 targets are only $325.00 each for course installations with 9 or more targets. This course discount is one reason the Innova DISCatcher remains the top selling target for course installations since 2007.

 

[Discette]

Innova DISCatcher Targets are still Number 1

Time for an annual update.

The DGCR database again shows Innova DISCatcher Targets are installed on more courses around the world than any other target.

As of 4/26/2021 on the DGCR Database:
Active Courses Worldwide: 9522
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 3319 or 34.8%
2nd Place - DGA All varieties :2106 or 22.1%
3rd Place - DC Chainstar All varieties 488 or 5.1%
4th Place - Dynamic Discs All Varieies: 372 or 3.9%
5th Place - Prodigy: 304 or 3.1%



Active Courses in the US: 7408
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 2503 or 33.7%
2nd Place - DGA All Varieties: 2106 or 22.1%



The Innova DISCatcher target remained the top choice for new course installations:

New Courses Worldwide in 2020 through April 2021: 475
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 129 or 27.1%
2nd Place - Dynamic Discs All Varieties 76 or 16.0%
3rd Place - DGA all varieties: 62 or 13.0%
4th Place - Prodigy: 43 or 9.0%%

 

[Discette]

Innova DISCatcher Targets are Still Number One!

Time for an annual update.

The DGCR database again shows Innova DISCatcher Targets are installed on more courses around the world than any other disc golf target.

As of 1/17/2022 on the DGCR Database:
Active Courses Worldwide:10,032
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 3469 or 34.5%
2nd Place - DGA All varieties :2150 or 21.4%
3rd Place - Trilogy All varieties: 577 or 5.75%
4th Place - DC Chainstar 488 or 4.8%
5th Place - Prodigy: 338 or 3.4%



Active Courses in the US: 7890
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 2645 or 33.5%
2nd Place - DGA All Varieties: 2076 or 26.3%
3rd Place - Trilogy All Varieties: 495 or 6.2%



The Innova DISCatcher target remained the top choice for new course installations:

New Courses Worldwide in 2021: 426
1st Place - Innova DISCatcher: 111 or 26%
2nd Place - Trilogy All Varieties 92 or 21%
3rd Place - DGA all varieties: 56 or 13%
4th Place - Prodigy: 29 or 6%



The most amazing fact here is there are now 10,000 Disc Golf Courses in the World!!!<3:clap: