Turner512
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Has Texas been done? If not someone should do that.
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What state has the HIGHEST Average rating for courses?
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The average of the courses doesn't really tell you much even if the scores are unbiased. We all know that here in NC we don't have a bunch of 4 disc rated courses that don't deserve it like Colorado. You get more descriptive data if you look at the percentage of courses in each state within certain disc rating areas.
In NC there are 153 courses that aren't temp or practice. (I subtracted all of the RIP courses that truly aren't playable anymore.)
Out of those 153
15 are from 4-5 = 9.8%
56 are from 3-3.9 = 36.6%
50 are from 2-2.9 = 32.68%
26 are from 1-1.9 = 16.99%
6 are from 0-0.9 = 3.92%
That tells me that 46.4% of the courses listed in NC are good or better, 32.68% are typical/decent, and 20.91% are not very good. I'd say that's a pretty good spread from a statistical prospective. The number that I think really tells the story is almost 10% of courses in NC are considered excellent or better.
Though again what does that really tell us? Are we punishing states for having a bunch of filler courses? Is it your states fault that you have more Elementary school courses that help teach a new generation?
Another thing you can't factor in is all of the private courses not listed on the site. I know NC has a lot of good ones and I'm sure other states do as well.
In NC there are 153 courses that aren't temp or practice. (I subtracted all of the RIP courses that truly aren't playable anymore.)
Out of those 153
15 are from 4-5 = 9.8%
56 are from 3-3.9 = 36.6%
50 are from 2-2.9 = 32.68%
26 are from 1-1.9 = 16.99%
6 are from 0-0.9 = 3.92%
That tells me that 46.4% of the courses listed in NC are good or better, 32.68% are typical/decent, and 20.91% are not very good. I'd say that's a pretty good spread from a statistical prospective. The number that I think really tells the story is almost 10% of courses in NC are considered excellent or better.
Though again what does that really tell us? Are we punishing states for having a bunch of filler courses? Is it your states fault that you have more Elementary school courses that help teach a new generation?
Another thing you can't factor in is all of the private courses not listed on the site. I know NC has a lot of good ones and I'm sure other states do as well.
I did Illinois again and got 2.377, and a weighted review average of 2.758.
Then I did a little experiment.
I queried the Zip Code of the Willis Tower in downtown Chicago, took all of the bleh 9 hole courses within 50 miles of that zip code and omitted them.
Then I took the rest of the courses in the state and calculated again. Without those courses, Illinois has an average of 2.615, and a weighted review average of 3.019.
Just shows how having a bunch of pedestrian 9 hole courses can drag an average down. That being said, I still say Illinois is a better DG state with those courses than without them.
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Here is a list of Medians (mid-points) for all states - 18+ holes and 5+ reviews. I figured this is much easier to compile and the data is just as useful (useless):
Sorted by State:
Sorted by average:
Sorted by number of qualifying courses:
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[B]Count Median State[/B]
29 3.44 Alabama
4 3.63 Alaska
18 3.30 Arizona
21 3.44 Arkansas
85 3.50 California
46 3.59 Colorado
8 3.69 Connecticut
9 3.38 Delaware
51 3.27 Florida
45 3.50 Georgia
0 na Hawaii
15 3.70 Idaho
59 3.16 Illinois
58 3.33 Indiana
44 3.70 Iowa
26 3.32 Kansas
49 3.28 Kentucky
13 3.45 Louisiana
15 3.90 Maine
14 3.35 Maryland
20 3.61 Massachusetts
95 3.30 Michigan
41 3.56 Minnesota
27 3.19 Mississippi
36 3.42 Missouri
4 3.91 Montana
10 3.58 Nebraska
7 3.22 Nevada
6 3.41 New Hampshire
8 3.14 New Jersey
11 3.60 New Mexico
30 3.59 New York
88 3.34 North Carolina
1 3.71 North Dakota
77 3.22 Ohio
34 3.34 Oklahoma
30 3.69 Oregon
47 3.44 Pennsylvania
1 1.50 Rhode Island
28 3.48 South Carolina
6 3.72 South Dakota
36 3.51 Tennessee
119 3.46 Texas
9 3.69 Utah
8 3.30 Vermont
45 3.26 Virginia
33 3.38 Washington
13 3.80 West Virginia
77 3.38 Wisconsin
4 3.22 WyomingSorted by average:
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[B]Count Median State[/B]
4 3.91 Montana
15 3.90 Maine
13 3.80 West Virginia
6 3.72 South Dakota
1 3.71 North Dakota
15 3.70 Idaho
44 3.70 Iowa
8 3.69 Connecticut
30 3.69 Oregon
9 3.69 Utah
4 3.63 Alaska
20 3.61 Massachusetts
11 3.60 New Mexico
46 3.59 Colorado
30 3.59 New York
10 3.58 Nebraska
41 3.56 Minnesota
36 3.51 Tennessee
85 3.50 California
45 3.50 Georgia
28 3.48 South Carolina
119 3.46 Texas
13 3.45 Louisiana
29 3.44 Alabama
21 3.44 Arkansas
47 3.44 Pennsylvania
36 3.42 Missouri
6 3.41 New Hampshire
9 3.38 Delaware
33 3.38 Washington
77 3.38 Wisconsin
14 3.35 Maryland
88 3.34 North Carolina
34 3.34 Oklahoma
58 3.33 Indiana
26 3.32 Kansas
18 3.30 Arizona
95 3.30 Michigan
8 3.30 Vermont
49 3.28 Kentucky
51 3.27 Florida
45 3.26 Virginia
7 3.22 Nevada
77 3.22 Ohio
4 3.22 Wyoming
27 3.19 Mississippi
59 3.16 Illinois
8 3.14 New Jersey
1 1.50 Rhode Island
0 na HawaiiSorted by number of qualifying courses:
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[B]Count Median State[/B]
119 3.46 Texas
95 3.30 Michigan
88 3.34 North Carolina
85 3.50 California
77 3.38 Wisconsin
77 3.22 Ohio
59 3.16 Illinois
58 3.33 Indiana
51 3.27 Florida
49 3.28 Kentucky
47 3.44 Pennsylvania
46 3.59 Colorado
45 3.50 Georgia
45 3.26 Virginia
44 3.70 Iowa
41 3.56 Minnesota
36 3.51 Tennessee
36 3.42 Missouri
34 3.34 Oklahoma
33 3.38 Washington
30 3.69 Oregon
30 3.59 New York
29 3.44 Alabama
28 3.48 South Carolina
27 3.19 Mississippi
26 3.32 Kansas
21 3.44 Arkansas
20 3.61 Massachusetts
18 3.30 Arizona
15 3.90 Maine
15 3.70 Idaho
14 3.35 Maryland
13 3.80 West Virginia
13 3.45 Louisiana
11 3.60 New Mexico
10 3.58 Nebraska
9 3.69 Utah
9 3.38 Delaware
8 3.69 Connecticut
8 3.30 Vermont
8 3.14 New Jersey
7 3.22 Nevada
6 3.72 South Dakota
6 3.41 New Hampshire
4 3.91 Montana
4 3.63 Alaska
4 3.22 Wyoming
1 3.71 North Dakota
1 1.50 Rhode Island
0 na Hawaii
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So who's going to mesure California's wang?
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Disc Fiend
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It's funny you say this because when I look at the pictures for the two courses in Colorado that are on the top ten list (Phantom falls, Beaver Ranch/Conifer Park) I just don't get how they got that high of a rating.
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Disc Fiend
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Granted, they look like they would be fun to play but I still don't see how they got that high of a rating. Guess I would have to play it to understand
well yeah, i do see debate about those courses from time to time; but I think those courses do deserve some praise from what I've read. I was more specifically alluding to Colorado Heights University.
if that course can be rated in such an unbiased manner then i think we can allude that more courses in the area are getting equally unbiased reviews.
Disc Fiend
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Yea I saw the debate about that course too and it doesn't look like it deserves that rating at all.
Disc Fiend
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At least Phantom Falls and Beaver Ranch/Conifer Park have like 12 pages of reviews to back up their rating, Colorado Heights University only has a couple reviews and the reviews are probably all from the course designers and their buddies.
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TempleOfDoom
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I had more fun playing Beaver Ranch than anyplace I played in Charlotte. My favorite course in Charlotte was Hornet's Nest and I would choose Beaver Ranch over that in a heartbeat. This in spite of the dirt tees, and I really hate dirt tees.
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Current States Up to Date:
Maine (40 courses) 3.31
Vermont (23) 3.08
Texas (258) 2.97
Indiana (93) 2.943
Michigan (170) 2.918
Missouri (84) 2.907
New York (65) 2.88
Tennessee (74) 2.877
Arizona (37) 2.87
New Hampshire (13) 2.86
Montana (33) 2.846
Ohio (149) 2.793
Pennsylvania (108) 2.75
Oklahoma (75) 2.72
Wisconsin (196) 2.59
Kansas (102) 2.517
Rhode Island (2) 2.5
Illinois (171) 2.376
Nebrasksa (56) 2.288
Maine (40 courses) 3.31
Vermont (23) 3.08
Texas (258) 2.97
Indiana (93) 2.943
Michigan (170) 2.918
Missouri (84) 2.907
New York (65) 2.88
Tennessee (74) 2.877
Arizona (37) 2.87
New Hampshire (13) 2.86
Montana (33) 2.846
Ohio (149) 2.793
Pennsylvania (108) 2.75
Oklahoma (75) 2.72
Wisconsin (196) 2.59
Kansas (102) 2.517
Rhode Island (2) 2.5
Illinois (171) 2.376
Nebrasksa (56) 2.288
grodney
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2.29 average and 3.58 median? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark -- err, Nebraska.
Ohhh, Dave only used 18-hole courses. dubya tee? Although I do like that stat: What's the midpoint rating for well-reviewed 18-hole courses in a state? That could be reasonably interesting. And not just because it shows Iowa to be extremely strong, with 44 such courses midpointing at 3.70.
Ohhh, Dave only used 18-hole courses. dubya tee? Although I do like that stat: What's the midpoint rating for well-reviewed 18-hole courses in a state? That could be reasonably interesting. And not just because it shows Iowa to be extremely strong, with 44 such courses midpointing at 3.70.
What, no love for CA?
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You are it! Now you need to do the math. iw as hoping more people would step up and say "I bet my state will be higher than yours". I doubt I will take the time to do any other states, so pass it around and lets hear what your states average is!
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State boundaries are almost useless for analyzing the geographic distribution of anything.
See map below. This shows the average rating of the courses nearest to each point on the map. Specifically,
(Sum of: Rating x Holes / Distance^1.6) / (Sum of: Holes / Distance^1.6).
The highest is about 3.5 in Maine, the lowest about 2.5 in Montana.
Note there is not a lot of variation across the country (see scale at lower left). That is why I do not use Rating in my formula to calculate Service Levels.
See map below. This shows the average rating of the courses nearest to each point on the map. Specifically,
(Sum of: Rating x Holes / Distance^1.6) / (Sum of: Holes / Distance^1.6).
The highest is about 3.5 in Maine, the lowest about 2.5 in Montana.
Note there is not a lot of variation across the country (see scale at lower left). That is why I do not use Rating in my formula to calculate Service Levels.
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So what your map is saying is that Northeast Illinois looks to be the lowest average rating for an area. That wouldn't surprise me at all to be honest, nor does the large patch of light green between WI, IL, MN, IA, MO. There may be more courses in this region, but overall there are as many bad courses as there are good. In my opinion that is not a bad thing, just the way it is.
