thirtydirtybirds
Double Eagle Member
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[Innova] Aviar p&a
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SD86
Banned
I'd have to respectfully disagree that the Whale is a V-Tech Aviar. The Nova is an overmolded Aviar P&A, but the Whale top does not look like the Aviar top to me.
What about the KC Pro Whales?
SD86
Banned
Not sure if that's internet humor coming across. But to take the question seriously: I am not familiar with KC Pro Whales. I only know of them in XT and Champion plastics. Maybe there was a DX run? But I don't know anything about KC Pro Whales...
I am a Small Bead Aviar fan. They definitely hold a line better than beadless Aviars without the fade of the BB's.
They sit nicely in the middle.
There actually was a small batch of KC whales available at the USDGC this year. A few have floated around the fb auctions
DiscinFiend
* Ace Member *
Thanks for the info. I will definitely be picking up a few DX Omegas when they're released. I've been interested in trying out the small bead Aviar for awhile. I just could never bring myself to "audition" a disc for my putting putter that isn't in regular production. Plus the Omega (until now) never came in a hard enough plastic for my taste. I prefer stiff/hard plastics like KC Pro for putting. For me DX is the next best thing. I prefer beaded putters/mids. I currently putt with KC Aviars. I like my KC Aviars but they have a little to much fade brand new. That's why I like my KC Aviars well seasoned for putting duties. I hope these DX Omegas work out for me. The P&As have a great flight but I need a bead.
thirtydirtybirds
Double Eagle Member
Have you tried the omega AP? It is a small bead aviar in a stiff KC pro type plastic.
DiscinFiend
* Ace Member *
I apologize for the thread jack, but can someone please explain to me the differences in Omega putters. So BB Omegas aren't the same as BB Aviars? Are the BB Omegas the older BB Aviar mold? What plastics are closest to DX & KC Pro? Sorry, I just really don't feel like starting a new thread. The millennium website wasn't as helpful as I was hoping it would be. All I know for certain is that the Omegas that aren't BB are the small bead Aviar mold.
Moonshine
Double Eagle Member
Closer to a BB, the fade is not as abrupt but it's still there.
Moonshine
Double Eagle Member
Omega AP is nothing like KC Pro.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
If you want a stiffer small bead, the Omega AP is what you want. Much like the Aviar, it's gone through flexibility changes over the years, but there were stiff runs in there.
As for the BB mold, this guy's pretty trustworthy...
Moonshine
Double Eagle Member
BB Omegas are the P&A mold with a Big Bead. A typical BB Aviar-X has a more blunt nose than the P&A and Omega. So far it has been released in AP (Driver Pro), ET (XT) and SS (R-Pro). There is also a limited release in DT (DX) and its my understand that there will be a production release of the BB Omega in the DT plastic sometime this spring/summer.
thirtydirtybirds
Double Eagle Member
The plastic is a stiff pro, at least the one I have is. It's not KC pro, or a big bead aviar, but it is a small bead in a stiff pro plastic. That's what I meant, closest to a I pro small bead aviar available as far as I know.
Anyway, back to the p&a. We have a pretty stiff wind here today and I was practicing my up shots in the yard with a gummy champ I got. It flies nicely in the wind, despite being lighter (170g). Even in the cold wind it still has a good grip to it.
Long story short, gummy champ = nicer approach disc every time I throw it.
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SD86
Banned
Yes, and I saw a DX Whale today. My McPro Aviars are very slick, also, or certainly started out that way. Not grippy at all.
Also, pursuant to a couple of other posts: at the PIAS today I did a comparison of the DX Whale to the Aviars (classic and P&A). I can kind of see where the very top of the Whale is like an Aviar P&A. Of course the bottoms are different, as the Whale is V-Tech and beaded, and the Aviar P&A is not. But the sides of the Whale really drop off, while the Aviar curves down less steeply to meet the bottom half of the rim. And that's why the discs don't seem the same to me (beyond the V-Tech, of course).
If they release a McPro Whale, I might get one; oderwise, I'm putting with other discs (Warden, Judge, Pure).
mattw
Double Eagle Member
Is the only difference between the Aviar P&A and the Classic Aviar (Grid Stamp) the plastic? I was wondering because the numbers make the Classic look like a slightly straighter Aviar P&A in a firmer plastic. Just wondering if they use the same mold for both the P&A and the Classic.
FrontRimBanger
Par Member
I've been putting through these winter months with a beadless R-Pro Aviar and now that it's warming up its just too soft for me to be consistent with. I've got an Xt and a glow Aviar, but I was curious about a really stiff Aviar other than the McPros which aren't exactly highly available. Is the closest thing to board stiff going to be the classic avairs?
