[Innova] Fill three 7 speed slots with Innova only, what do you choose to be well-rounded?

[disc-golf-neil]

7 speed is obviously a strong point in innova lineup. I usually have 3 or 4 depending on wind and course. The IT is the only actually understable innova 7 driver to me, so of I had to cover the most I would use that, leopard3 for straight and the most OS eagle or tb I could find.

However my bag is all innova mfr. So I actually use an IT or a leopard1, beat up qjls, beat up and new eagle and EXPX.

Nice, I ended up discovering the IT and really loving it, it flies like people describe the leopard 3 flies and the leapard3 is kinda straight for a while as you said. At the moment I'm using from most to least stable, I ended up with four senses, such a useful speed.

Champ Eagle (can't find halo)
Halo Hawkeye
Gummy champ TL
IT

I had a champ Hawkeye that was good for Kaiser flips, but not super flippy like the IT, but I lost it and the halo star Hawkeye is kind of beefy and my TL has a nice gentle initially flip up but won't turn too much after that.

 

[Putt for D'oh]

I can't not put at least 5 Innova made 7 speeds in my bag. Star Teebird is my absolute go-to get right when I need to throw it disc.
OS to US if I picked 3:
Champ Eagle X
Start TB
Seasoned Pro TB

I love all of them and my only issue is that I can never find the time to thow some, like the C-line exodus or FDs

 

[Casey 1988]

OS to US
Eagle in current X rim or an average Teebird depending on how OS Eagle is given dome.
Leopard/3 mold depending on what plastic or plastics I wanted for a slight range in stability.
Dragon, I know 8 speed but is very easy for super US shots especially when powered hard and can for some do a backhand roller easier than discs made for being a roller like a Rollo because of Dragon disc weight around 150 grams.

 

[Sheep]

Gazelle.

 

[HyzerRoc]

Three Teebirds for me.

Beat in Star which is extremely flippy.
Two fresh Star ones of why one is really straight and one slightly OS.
Finally, Champ, although I dont find myself really using that one.

I got a Star Hawkeye in the bag in case I ever lose my beat Teebird but it is not as US and I consider just dumping that one as I cant really get a firm grasp on what it really does. It is not US enough that it will reliably fill my left to right needs and I cant rip on it as it will turn too much.

 

[jupiterboy]

Tournament Underworld
G* Eagle L
Halo Hawkeye (light)
Champ Teebird

 

[BogeyNoMore]

I don't really get too concerned about whether something's a speed 6 vs 7, 8, or 9. I just make sure I have the US, stable and OS slots in my bag covered for the following speed categories:
Mid
Fairway
Distance

I understand how flight ratings work, and that they are numeric, but those #'s don't necessarily correlate to specific values that are directly measurable/quantifiable.

Everyone's gonna build their bag as they see fit, but if you're gonna skip over a Leopard because it's a speed 6 rather than a 7, I think you're:

a) doing yourself a disservice
b) reading too much into flight #'s.

Not saying 6's and 9's fly the same.
Just that that you can use range of slightly different speeds to fill your fairway needs. Same for mids and distance drivers.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

Three Teebirds for me.

Beat in Star which is extremely flippy.
Two fresh Star ones of why one is really straight and one slightly OS.
Finally, Champ, although I dont find myself really using that one.

I got a Star Hawkeye in the bag in case I ever lose my beat Teebird but it is not as US and I consider just dumping that one as I cant really get a firm grasp on what it really does. It is not US enough that it will reliably fill my left to right needs and I cant rip on it as it will turn too much.

Try an Innova IT next for the extremely flippy. I've had 3 (champ and halo) so far and all are very flippy out of the box, easy to hyzer flip into full S curve.

I still haven't played with anything that's pretty flip that used to be OS to see how it compares to something that flippy out of the box though.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

I don't really get too concerned about whether something's a speed 6 vs 7, 8, or 9. I just make sure I have the US, stable and OS slots in my bag covered for the following speed categories:
Mid
Fairway
Distance

I understand how flight ratings work, and that they are numeric, but those #'s don't necessarily correlate to specific values that are directly measurable/quantifiable.

Everyone's gonna build their bag as they see fit, but if you're gonna skip over a Leopard because it's a speed 6 rather than a 7, I think you're:

a) doing yourself a disservice
b) reading too much into flight #'s.

Not saying 6's and 9's fly the same.
Just that that you can use range of slightly different speeds to fill your fairway needs. Same for mids and distance drivers.

I agree in general but in this case there actually is a leopard3 which is 7 speed. But I found a crave which is 6.5 speed and it was really worn in and really flippy and I could've replaced my 7 speed very flippy innova IT with it. The only reason I don't is because it's probably not normally that flippy and mvp just doesn't have as nice of a selection of F2s which I prefer to buy to save $ and try out more stuff with that saved $. Loved the lower profile feeling of the crave compared to the IT but it's not that big of a deal.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

Gazelle.

Doesn't seem to be on their site, I think I looked before.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

I agree in general but in this case there actually is a leopard3 which is 7 speed. But I found a crave which is 6.5 speed and it was really worn in and really flippy and I could've replaced my 7 speed very flippy innova IT with it. The only reason I don't is because it's probably not normally that flippy and mvp just doesn't have as nice of a selection of F2s which I prefer to buy to save $ and try out more stuff with that saved $. Loved the lower profile feeling of the crave compared to the IT but it's not that big of a deal.

Whatever works for you.

The way I see it, Innova's just saying the Leopard3 is a bit faster than a Leopard.
Axiom/MVP is saying the Crave fits somewhere somewhere between what they call a 6 and a 7.

Some of it is probably out of the desire to explain the often subtle differences between molds. Some of it's probably just marketing/hype.

Bottom line is, I don't think anyone needs to find a 7 speed, if they have a 6 or 8 speed that does what they want (or vice-versa).

But to one one your points:
The way something feels in your hand (e.g. rim depth, bead, wing shape, wing width, profile, etc.), can really make a difference from one player to another. IMHO, that's a more valid reason for choosing disc A, over disc B, than one being an 8, and the other being a 6.

 

[HyzerRoc]

Try an Innova IT next for the extremely flippy. I've had 3 (champ and halo) so far and all are very flippy out of the box, easy to hyzer flip into full S curve.

I still haven't played with anything that's pretty flip that used to be OS to see how it compares to something that flippy out of the box though.

you might just be the first person I have ever seen to come out in favor of the IT. The shape doesnt look too different from a Hawkeye. Might give that one a try next time I lose my orange Star Teebird

 

[Sheep]

Whatever works for you.

The way I see it, Innova's just saying the Leopard3 is a bit faster than a Leopard.
Axiom/MVP is saying the Crave fits somewhere somewhere between what they call a 6 and a 7.

Some of it is probably out of the desire to explain the often subtle differences between molds. Some of it's probably just marketing/hype.

Bottom line is, I don't think anyone needs to find a 7 speed, if they have a 6 or 8 speed that does what they want (or vice-versa).

But to one one your points:
The way something feels in your hand (e.g. rim depth, bead, wing shape, wing width, profile, etc.), can really make a difference from one player to another. IMHO, that's a more valid reason for choosing disc A, over disc B, than one being an 8, and the other being a 6.

I ignore all "rated" speeds and go by the rim width.
Much easier that way and realistic.

Crave is 18 by PDGA measurements.

Now, leopard is 16mm, but oddly enough, the leopard3 is 17.

So. Theoretically that makes the crave an 8 speed, the leopard a 6 speed and the leopard3 a 7 speed.
Cause, genreally rim width -10 until you get into the putter stuff.

 

[Sheep]

Doesn't seem to be on their site, I think I looked before.

Gazelle - Innova Disc Golf

The Gazelle brings versatility and control to fairway shots. A long, straight flight with predictable fade at the end. Handles windy conditions well.

www.innovadiscs.com

 

[ChrisinFL]

I agree in general but in this case there actually is a leopard3 which is 7 speed. But I found a crave which is 6.5 speed and it was really worn in and really flippy and I could've replaced my 7 speed very flippy innova IT with it. The only reason I don't is because it's probably not normally that flippy and mvp just doesn't have as nice of a selection of F2s which I prefer to buy to save $ and try out more stuff with that saved $. Loved the lower profile feeling of the crave compared to the IT but it's not that big of a deal.

I also like the F2 prices, but I have a Crave, and it is quickly becoming my favorite and most reliable disc. Worth every penny! I have a bunch of Innova F2 (and other) 5-9 speed discs, but I easily trust my Crave more than anything else, and I recently got a Hex that is now in the bag as my only mid range. Thinking with a little more work it might be my baby Crave, though slightly less stable.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

you might just be the first person I have ever seen to come out in favor of the IT. The shape doesnt look too different from a Hawkeye. Might give that one a try next time I lose my orange Star Teebird

In premium plastic, out of hawkeye, leopard3, and IT, the IT is the only one that actually flies flippy out of the box (I can throw over 400 so it's not an arm speed issue).

The 3 hawkeyes I've had (keep losing discs, lol) have been flippier out of the box than my leopard3's, but not that flippy and the leopard3's I've had recently were also not that flippy. More of a straight flyer without much turn until beat in.

So if I want something straight out of the box, I go for hawkeye in premium now knowing it will beat in to a nice hyzer flip disc without a lot of turn and if I want out of the box flippy for hyzer flips that actually turn a decent amount then IT has been reliably that. Leopard3 doesn't really have a place then for me unless I want something that starts out flying like a slightly less stable teebird but then starts to develop flippiness much faster than a teebird.

Again, all of this has been recent runs of premium plastics, so I'm sure leopard3's had flippy runs before.

 

[thatdirtykid]

you might just be the first person I have ever seen to come out in favor of the IT. The shape doesnt look too different from a Hawkeye. Might give that one a try next time I lose my orange Star Teebird

I have heard people talk about how good the IT is, on some podcasts and a person or two on the course. Some have gone as far to say it along with the Rollo as the best recent Innova releases. IT isn't the first and probably won't be the last good innova disc that started a leg behind because of a crappy name. (Reference Animal, Wedge and of course Polecat)

 

[disc-golf-neil]

I have heard people talk about how good the IT is, on some podcasts and a person or two on the course. Some have gone as far to say it along with the Rollo as the best recent Innova releases. IT isn't the first and probably won't be the last good innova disc that started a leg behind because of a crappy name. (Reference Animal, Wedge and of course Polecat)

Yeah, terrible name.

Another underrated, newer Innova disc is the invader, people who know about it seem to really like it for approach shots, but it's even more underrated for putting because everyone is so used to older innova molds so people are less likely to try it out for putting, but it is one of their lowest profile putters, super comfy, easy to clean release, great in wind but not overly beefy. Despite the low glide, I can still use it for long putts but it's of course more optimal to switch to something with more glide and less stable.

 

[Bonehead]

you might just be the first person I have ever seen to come out in favor of the IT. The shape doesnt look too different from a Hawkeye. Might give that one a try next time I lose my orange Star Teebird

Nothing like a Hawkeye. I use the It for technical/wooded courses, especially hyzer-flip to flat shots from wide right. The Hawkeye is great for distance (260-290) with hardly any flare and it fights out of turnover shots. If I have to keep it between the lines, it's my go-to.

 

[Bonehead]

It, Hawkeye, and Thunderbird.