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So about that new driver.........
I heard someone mentioned a teebird 16 pages ago :thmbup:
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So about that new driver.........
Also the "Golden Zone" is a reference to djjeremiah often using that term as a specific distance range in which he thinks a disc should be thrown,anything more,or less is not acceptable.
I'm not taking sides or anything, but.....
I didn't hear about these Beto or Blake guys until I came to this forum. I haven't really used any of the techniques until a couple recently. I figured a lot of it out on my own. What I didn't figure out on my own, I got from local pros including Uli and Ginnelly. I have posted a couple videos of myself, offered some of mine own advice at time, and asked for advice from the forum. I was never told that my way was wrong, that I had to use a certain method, or that it was Beto's way or the highway.
Just from my experience, most people here have been very helpful and encouraging.......with the exception of a select few. I honestly think the two arguments here are pretty compatible. I think it is just the way people talk about it, is what gets some folks riled up. I can understand it.
The thing that's similar in everyone's throws, though (the ones who throw over 400', at least), is the hit.QUOTE]
I've seen plenty of people throw over 400' without having that "hit" area.
You guys want some privacy to make out? :gross: The post count is the only credentials around here. No one cares if you can actually carry out the advice you're giving. Why would you give advice that you suck at? It's a bunch of buddies supporting each other and their tips to make their circle greater. Get real, fellas.
So what's the other method that's incompatible with the hammer pound drills and building your throw from the hit back that's even easier? People like to say that what we're saying isn't the only way, but I haven't seen anyone give an easier method that excludes the methods we're suggesting.
Just like professional pitchers throw a ball with different mechanics, so do disc golfers throw with different forms. That doesn't mean the same principles that makes a curveball break or a fast ball appear to rise don't need to be incorporated into every pitchers' stuff, regardless of their larger mechanics.
The entire backbone of the Blake/Beto philosophy is that everyone is different, and everyone will have a different looking throw. If you bothered to read any of the literature behind the video you would know that.
There is so much hyperbole in your summary of the argument that it looks like you don't really understand what the argument is...or that there really isn't one. We all know people learn differently. You haven't provided an alternative method other than trial and error yet, and I can tell you that the Blake/Beto method is much better than that for most people.
The thing that's similar in everyone's throws, though (the ones who throw over 400', at least), is the hit.QUOTE]
I've seen plenty of people throw over 400' without having that "hit" area.
The hit refers to the last part of the throw, and it is tendon bounce, the disc ripping, wrist extention, etc.
You can't really see when people hit it. The way you can tell is how far their discs go. I'm gonna wage people throwing 400' with something speed 9 and down are at least hitting some of it (half hitting most likely).
The hit "area" as you refer to it is really in everyone's throw in some way. it doesn't have to be by and after the right pec. It can be as low or lower than the knees, and as high as the neck.
LOTS of people can't carry out advice they give. You can have full understanding of something but be the most uncoordinated person ever (this goes for any sport).
DG doesn't take a lot of physical ability to be good, unlike a lot of other sports.
this is what I have asked like 8 times, and the only real responze I have gotten is "I keep my arm straight, a (nameless) 1000 rated pro showed me how.
http://www.discraft.com/team_duncan.html
I also said this too.
But I guess I need to keep jerking off to the Beto video in order to get better, because someone online with no other credentials besides he said he throws 400' thinks the way I have accomplished things wont work for everybody (which I think is true. I know everyone is different and learns in different ways.). But he won't propose an alternative besides "I keep my arm straight, that must mean everything you know is wrong."
The hit refers to the last part of the throw, and it is tendon bounce, the disc ripping, wrist extention, etc.
You can't really see when people hit it. The way you can tell is how far their discs go. I'm gonna wage people throwing 400' with something speed 9 and down are at least hitting some of it (half hitting most likely).
The hit "area" as you refer to it is really in everyone's throw in some way. it doesn't have to be by and after the right pec. It can be as low or lower than the knees, and as high as the neck.
You didn't answer my question regarding gay disc flight and humidity. :|
Stupid question coming in........why do they call it "the hit"? And will it make my discs fly less gay in a place that lacks air moisture?
Hehe, jtacoma, nice edit message.
I agree with you also (i know, i know, my opinion doesn't matter)
This is/was never about whose way is better.
Who is this Blake feller? Like I said before, people have different backgrounds in sports, what they're comfortable with and what they prefer. What might work and be easy for one person might not work with another. I sound like a broken record...
What am I the best example of? And, yes, I do say fella. My ego needs stroked? Trifusal is the one who is refusing to believe there is anyway to disc golf besides what he does and beating off to the Beto video religiously. I'm sure he'd be on his knees if he ever had a face to face encounter with him.
You're just as big of an idiot as they are. I never said the Beto way isn't going to help you. THEY'RE REFUSING TO THINK ANY OTHER WAY IS ACCEPTABLE. I really don't understand why they just won't admit that it isn't the only way, probably because they haven't even been playing a year.
Here's how it's gone:
"You don't need to use this video to be any good, there are other ways."
"This is why the video is good, here is why it's so good. The only thing I'm going to argue is that this video is good. I'll never say any other forms or practice will work."
repeat.
Some dude even said it hasn't been around long enough to be tested well enough. 7-8 years to develop into a good player. You're an 1/8 of the way there, Trifusal. :thmbup:
Easier? that's all relative to the person. Like I said, people have different backgrounds in sports, what's comfortable etc etc. What's easy or easier for one person may not be the same for another. Someone may benefit from practicing the "hit" some people may benefit more from doing a whole throw for warm ups. Kind of like saying there's only one way for a pitcher to warm up and practice.
Do you ever go to any of the Ames leagues?
jt - really trying to shut this down...c'mon man.
You didn't post him contradicting himself anyway, so this is just gonna add fuel to the fire and he's gonna come back nuclear...can we just call it? The OP left the discussion long ago.
Mods can we get a lock? All useful debate has been said and it's just bickering now.
You're just as big of an idiot as they are. I never said the Beto way isn't going to help you. THEY'RE REFUSING TO THINK ANY OTHER WAY IS ACCEPTABLE. I really don't understand why they just won't admit that it isn't the only way, probably because they haven't even been playing a year.
Here's how it's gone:
"You don't need to use this video to be any good, there are other ways."
"This is why the video is good, here is why it's so good. The only thing I'm going to argue is that this video is good. I'll never say any other forms or practice will work."
repeat.
Some dude even said it hasn't been around long enough to be tested well enough. 7-8 years to develop into a good player. You're an 1/8 of the way there, Trifusal. :thmbup:
I think I would rather trust Blake T., Beto and the brains over at DGR rather than you or some other Joe Shmoe. Everything I have read there and tried has made me improve. I would not be where I am today without discing down and the right pec drill, among other things.
"I think I would rather" is different than refusing. Give me credible evidence with thorough and near scientific research about your throw, such as Blake has done.
The only thing you have told us about your throw is that you keep your arm straight. Why do you feel it works better for you rather than a more conventional technique?