USDGC results-exactly what people were worried about?

[kerplunk]

I think this topic has been discussed some in other threads, but now that the results are in I thought it deserved its own.

Sorry if this has been posted before and correct me if I am wrong, but according to my "research" the guy that won had only played two PDGAs before the USDGCs. Not to be too cynical, but if you took my worst two tourneys and based my rating on that I think I would have a shot to beat Schultz and Feldberg too.

I am not calling Key a sandbagger, and I am truly happy for him for playing great golf and winning, but I think the situation of a guy with only 6 rated rounds and therefore a possibly inaccurate rating is the exact thing people were concerned about when the new format was announced. While I do not know enough facts to feel strongly one way or another about the new format, as someone who knows a little bit about statistics I think it is unwise to give a player a handicap based on only 6 rounds, and I believe the results support this statement, especially given the large margin of victory.

Thoughts?

 

[bradharris]

There are plenty of examples to the contrary as well. I went in with a rating of 894 and a projected score of 86. My last rated tournament was April this year (aside from one in September that didn't get factored in for the USDGC). I tended to play relatively poorly in PDGA tournaments, so I was optimistic that I would be able to beat my projection. Instead, I ended up finishing +50.

No matter what your projection, putting together four consistent rounds to finish under personal par is quite an achievement on that course.

 

[Script]

Not to be a jerk, but aren't there like 4 threads on the usdgcs in the tourney section? Along with that you can go discuss at DGR too.

 

[JR Stengele]

imo it should be the best of the best who qualify, not just anybody. This is supposed to be an elite tournament and yet you have someone who isn't very good winning what once was a prestigious event. Perhaps they should split the USDGC in to two tournaments, open and am.

 

[ian.]

Perhaps they should split the USDGC in to two tournaments, open and am.

thats what i was thinking too

 

[DSCJNKY]

He got 108 strokes over Feldberg for the 4 rounds. (and beat him by 16).
I'm personally not a big Feldberg fan, but I was rooting for him in this situation.
DSCJNKY

 

[craftsman]

Does dude get a ring like the past true winners???

 

[dehaas]

imo it should be the best of the best who qualify, not just anybody. This is supposed to be an elite tournament and yet you have someone who isn't very good winning what once was a prestigious event. Perhaps they should split the USDGC in to two tournaments, open and am.

i think that could have potential, do pro usdgc one year and the next do the am usdgc. sort of how the olympics alternates. maybe that would push some of the top tier ams over the edge and get them playing pro with the extra exposure. if you want to do some type of projected tournament make that something completely different.

 

[Amadeus]

USDGC

"CAN" BELIEVE AN 880 RATED PLAYER WON IT.

I think it is such a disgrace what they have done to this event moving it to every other year. This is the DEFINING event of the sport. To have an amateur beat pros like Barry Shultz, Ken Climo, and, many, many others...is just blasphemy. It defeats the purpose of disc golf by taking the primary "big payout" event and letting am's "wup" the pros with their projected sandbagging or non-sandbagging scores. While it is still my goal to one day be a pro, I still obstained from competing in this event because of the blasphemy I feel it brings to the sport. I am disgusted at this.

 

[Star Shark]

Does dude get a ring like the past true winners???

I'm pretty sure it was Trophy Only this year.

 

[MNcyclone]

They should just cancel the whole thing. It was too expensive to run originally. Now it is actually getting people to hate them. Lose lose situation, lets just retire it.

 

[ElementZ]

In before the move...

But I definitely agree with you.

 

[Star Shark]

As to the winner, as I understand it, he's normally 950-970 rated. The ratings they took from are the one tourney he played this year. He was hurt and threw the whole thing lefty, so he benefited from some massive ratings skewage.

 

[billnchristy]

I played doubles with that dude in FL. He was better than me but not by a huge margain and I was on his home course playing blind.

 

[solomon.trenton]

imo it should be the best of the best who qualify, not just anybody. This is supposed to be an elite tournament and yet you have someone who isn't very good winning what once was a prestigious event. Perhaps they should split the USDGC in to two tournaments, open and am.

THIS

 

[solomon.trenton]

FYI not a lot of pros showed up

 

[Smigles]

As to the winner, as I understand it, he's normally 950-970 rated. The ratings they took from are the one tourney he played this year. He was hurt and threw the whole thing lefty, so he benefited from some massive ratings skewage.

LOL that explains alot

On topic : This format would be a good idea, much like communism could be a good idea. But for the format to work, you need a proper handicap system. And there is none. So the format will never work properly.

 

[DavidSauls]

Here's a radical notion.

With your sweat and your money, run your tournament however you think best.

With my sweat and my money, I'll run my tournament the way I think best.

And with Innova's sweat and money, they can run their tournament the way they think best. It's their creation. Including the name.

And if you don't like the way they do it----don't play in it.

 

[steve a]

Here's a radical notion.

With your sweat and your money, run your tournament however you think best.

With my sweat and my money, I'll run my tournament the way I think best.

And with Innova's sweat and money, they can run their tournament the way they think best. It's their creation. Including the name.

And if you don't like the way they do it----don't play in it.

Not as much fun as complaining on the internet.

I personally enjoyed playing in this years event. Thanks to all the volunteers that spent their week out there making it a success. The pros that played knew how the format worked before playing and knew their chances of winning before signing up. It played out just like everyone expected.

 

[esdubya]

Let's thank Innova for doing 12 years of the USDGC. It is not something they had to do.