How to throw a Valkyrie?

[warren1086]

You should give the Avenger SS a try, with some more speed, glide, and low speed stability, it might add some distance for your. You should check out http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=169 and would suggest purchasing one here, also it is now available in all plastics made by discraft!

 

[ERicJ]

... What color is your disc? I guess innova red disc are alot more overstable and blue/yellow discs are more understable. I have found this to be the most true with valkyries more so than any other disc.

Is there any science behind your claim? I find it very hard to believe that a dye has anything to do with stability ratings.

Just trying to give you a chance to explain before somebody calls you crazy.

Okay, I'll do it. Disc color effecting stability is just crazy.

With a couple rare exceptions of something like: Red CE Eagles are more overstable than Blue CE Eagles, when the only Red CE Eagles came from the 2nd run, and the only Blue CE Eagles came from the 4th run. And that's not color effecting stability, that's just coincidence.

I've asked before and no one has produced any evidence of color effecting stability.

 

[WillA]

My experience is that the lighter or more understable a disc is the more important angle of release is. When I try to throw hard I have a tendency to anhyzer the disc. If you do that with a Valk it probably will just go right and never come back. But if you throw it smooth and flat you should get a nice S curve.

 

[Adam Schneider]

What is it with everyone suggesting heavier discs? If you're not throwing 400'+, you should NOT be throwing max-weight drivers!

For an average player, a mid-160's Valkyrie SHOULD turn over some on a flat throw, or even when hyzer-flipped a bit. If it's "turning and burning" every time (flipping and hitting the ground before fading back left), then you probably have some OAT (off-axis torque, i.e., wobble) issues. Work on a smoother release before moving up in weight.

 

[Adaven]

This seems like a good place to ask this question, is the Valk an understable disc? I found one, 171g, and its a really great shape and it seems that a level through, RHBH, moves to the right and doesn't come back. This is fine because it is extremely reliable in that in never comes back to the left for me.

 

[StrikerME02]

What is it with everyone suggesting heavier discs? If you're not throwing 400'+, you should NOT be throwing max-weight drivers!

For an average player, a mid-160's Valkyrie SHOULD turn over some on a flat throw, or even when hyzer-flipped a bit. If it's "turning and burning" every time (flipping and hitting the ground before fading back left), then you probably have some OAT (off-axis torque, i.e., wobble) issues. Work on a smoother release before moving up in weight.

I don't throw max weight drivers in the first place. My most comfortable weight is probably 168-171. So I have a feeling that most of the peple who replied to this post are correct as I can control my 171g Star SL, but I seem to have no control over the 166g Champion Valkyrie.

 

[Midnightbiker]

This seems like a good place to ask this question, is the Valk an understable disc? I found one, 171g, and its a really great shape and it seems that a level through, RHBH, moves to the right and doesn't come back. This is fine because it is extremely reliable in that in never comes back to the left for me.

They do become understable the more they get beat in. The DX really become understable.

 

[StrikerME02]

You should give the Avenger SS a try, with some more speed, glide, and low speed stability, it might add some distance for your. You should check out http://www.discgolfcenter.com/main_displayProduct.php?p=169 and would suggest purchasing one here, also it is now available in all plastics made by discraft!

Yea I might purchase one at the next tournament I am at or even better maybe someone will offer a trade involving one to me.

 

[craigg]

Okay, I'll do it. Disc color effecting stability is just crazy.

With a couple rare exceptions of something like: Red CE Eagles are more overstable than Blue CE Eagles, when the only Red CE Eagles came from the 2nd run, and the only Blue CE Eagles came from the 4th run. And that's not color effecting stability, that's just coincidence.

I've asked before and no one has produced any evidence of color effecting stability.

Actually, I have heard one explanation that sort of makes sense for variations in flight characteristics based on color. I can't vouch for its validity, but on one level I can see it potentially making sense.

They make discs out of pelletized plastic that is melted in a hopper. Different colors can apparently cool at different rates after being popped out of the mold. Different colors can also react differently to humidity and external temperature, all of which can provide subtle variations in shape (i.e. a little domier, or a little flatter). It's these variations that can produce different flight characteristics.

I think the variations are not consistent across the board due to the different times they actually press the discs. If they do a run of blue in January, and another in July - it's likely they won't fly exactly alike even if they are the same color.

 

[YonderScott]

What is it with everyone suggesting heavier discs? If you're not throwing 400'+, you should NOT be throwing max-weight drivers!

For an average player, a mid-160's Valkyrie SHOULD turn over some on a flat throw, or even when hyzer-flipped a bit. If it's "turning and burning" every time (flipping and hitting the ground before fading back left), then you probably have some OAT (off-axis torque, i.e., wobble) issues. Work on a smoother release before moving up in weight.

I have a 150 valk that just does amazing things with no wind, or a tail wind. I have a 175 that works decent in a headwind. Lighter weights will glide and glide and glide.....

for those of us that don't have power.

Not sure what to add to how to throw a valk, I have 3 and each one flies really nice for me. I have a heavy champ, a light champ and a beat 168 dx...they all work well for me when I have a little room to work them. And I never throw them hard.

 

[Chef Joe]

I have a 160 Champ Valk and it is very touchy, You have to have the right conditions, little wind and a flat, smooth release. If you try to throw it really hard, it just seems to bend in your hand and fade hard.

I have two 150 Champ Valks, and a 172 Champ Valk. None of them seem to fade that hard for me. They've got a very long, but gentle anhyzer, then a short fade at the end. I guess if I put it up a little more, it would fade a bit more before landing.

 

[ERicJ]

They make discs out of pelletized plastic that is melted in a hopper. Different colors can apparently cool at different rates after being popped out of the mold. Different colors can also react differently to humidity and external temperature, all of which can provide subtle variations in shape (i.e. a little domier, or a little flatter). It's these variations that can produce different flight characteristics.

I think the variations are not consistent across the board due to the different times they actually press the discs. If they do a run of blue in January, and another in July - it's likely they won't fly exactly alike even if they are the same color.

Like you said that's possible, but I think the cooling rate could easily be variable based on many other factors besides color. And I'm still waiting for some scientific experimental data that shows any consistent variability based on color.

 

[Adam Schneider]

Like you said that's possible, but I think the cooling rate could easily be variable based on many other factors besides color. And I'm still waiting for some scientific experimental data that shows any consistent variability based on color.

I don't think anyone's claiming that one color is inherently different than other, just that there are specific cases where it's noticeable. For example, when the 150g Surges first came out, everyone noticed that the purple ones were the beefiest (which wasn't saying much), for whatever reason. I think you can probably only make these blanket statements about brand-new discs, where every disc of a particular color really was born in the same environment.

 

[Lewis]

If his disc isn't fluttering on release (OAT), then he really is overpowering it, and he could stand to try a disc in the 170's. I'm under the impression that it's a slightly understable disc, though less understable than the Avenger SS or the Sidewinder. At least that's how mine compare, although my Valkyrie is a 175g disc, versus my 170g Avenger SS and 170g Sidewinder. Another option before buying a new disc would be to not throw it so hard and see what happens.

 

[DirtyMittenDG]

Like you said that's possible, but I think the cooling rate could easily be variable based on many other factors besides color. And I'm still waiting for some scientific experimental data that shows any consistent variability based on color.

I cant say my claim is accurate because like you said there is no written evidence to prove it. But with around 5 years of playing my theory has not failed me yet. Take any same innova, champion or star disc in the same weight (1 red and 1 blue) and compare, I think you might be surprised. I'll bet the red will be more overstable than the blue, and remember it still is the same disc so the difference wont be huge but should be enough to tell.

Seems a little "crazy" to call my theory crazy if youve never tried it for yourself.

 

[ERicJ]

I've got a bunch of Star TeeRexes including four reds and four blues. Can't say I've noticed any significant difference....

 

[StrikerME02]

I cant say my claim is accurate because like you said there is no written evidence to prove it. But with around 5 years of playing my theory has not failed me yet. Take any same innova, champion or star disc in the same weight (1 red and 1 blue) and compare, I think you might be surprised. I'll bet the red will be more overstable than the blue, and remember it still is the same disc so the difference wont be huge but should be enough to tell.

Seems a little "crazy" to call my theory crazy if youve never tried it for yourself.

I'm not saying I believe you, but your point is interesting. And as to your question what color my disc is it is yellow. So in this case your case could be proven true as it feels pretty understable than what I am used too.

 

[NatiBuckeye]

I have a champ yellow valk. I throw 300 consist, and i noticed it was turning more than i wanted. So to fix the problem I throw it with some hyzer as well as nose down snap as I release. Last night i had the longest drive ever with it at 370 and it faded at the end. Awesome to watch

The more snap you have the more hyzer angle you probably need. I throw it at about 2oclock

 

[sidewinding]

How to throw a Valkyrie:

1. Remove trash can lid with left hand.
2. Hold trash can lid as high as possible.
3. Grip valkyrie with right hand using the power grip.
4. Throw Valkyrie into the trash can.
5. Go buy a Teebird.

 

[NatiBuckeye]

How to throw a Valkyrie:

1. Remove trash can lid with left hand.
2. Hold trash can lid as high as possible.
3. Grip valkyrie with right hand using the power grip.
4. Throw Valkyrie into the trash can.
5. Go buy a Teebird.

i throw both.... they both are completely different