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Marshall Street PDGA Rules Letter
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john1bl
Bogey Member
You want an way way to have the rules indorsed?
Her is my take!!!!
1. The flex standard should be eliminated. If it is for safety there had better be a good set of studies or it is fodder for lawyers.
2. The Max weight standard should have a qualifying weight and a field weight that is about 2g more than the qualifying weight. This way the manufactures have a target to hit when a new disk is made or during a audit and the TDs don't have to have a $3000 ISO certified balance to put on a tournament.
Her is my take!!!!
1. The flex standard should be eliminated. If it is for safety there had better be a good set of studies or it is fodder for lawyers.
2. The Max weight standard should have a qualifying weight and a field weight that is about 2g more than the qualifying weight. This way the manufactures have a target to hit when a new disk is made or during a audit and the TDs don't have to have a $3000 ISO certified balance to put on a tournament.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
I agree, but at the same time, the same good lawyer will test the disc (that inevitably has PDGA Approved stamped/tooled somewhere on it) against the existing specs in question on the "official" document. If it fails, you're in even deeper hot water. You'll look completely inept. Lawyers are anuses.
Cgkdisc
.:Hall of Fame Member:.
No. The player and manufacturer are in trouble if the disc fails, not the PDGA who expressly states it's the player's responsibility to use discs that are within specifications. As a player buying or winning new discs, I don't like that I have to be responsible under this rule. But that's the reality for now.
john1bl
Bogey Member
The biggest problem is that equipment standards have to be indorsed in a lab not in the field of play. To ask a player to make sure that the discs are complaint is like asking the dog catcher to do brain surgery!
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
How is a player supposed to determine that a disc meets the established standards? I did not get a set (not even a list) of approved measuring tools when I joined/renewed. How am I supposed to know whether the Comet I just won will pass the flex test or is of legal weight? How do I know if the rim is .1 too large or dead on? How do I perform a flex test on the day of an event when it's 50 degrees outside?
Three Putt used to talk about the Tournament Pro Cyclone, and the fact that it shrunk more when cooling than any of the modern plastics. That pretty much means only the Tournament Pro Cyclone is legal for competition, even if it is within flex and weight tolerances, right?
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john1bl
Bogey Member
If it passes the standard the player and manufacturer is cleared that just leaves who?
Cgkdisc
.:Hall of Fame Member:.
The player who made the throw has primary liability no matter what unless it was a weird deal where the person who was hit popped out in front of the thrower on purpose. But their lawyer tries to include other parties who have deeper pockets who can pay larger amounts for damages (and his fee).
KniceZ
Double Eagle Member
I don't understand how having a standard that a lawyer can easily prove is not being enforced protects the PDGA from liability.
john1bl
Bogey Member
This is why the flex standard should be gone. There should not be safety as part of the standard in any part and let it be known that safety is on the players part. This reduces the lawyers potential take to a broke disc player and a manufacture that is hard to pin down.
Cgkdisc
.:Hall of Fame Member:.
Note that it's not the PDGAs job to enforce compliance. It's the player's responsibility to make sure their own discs are in compliance once the PDGA has checked and approved the initial samples the manufacturer has supplied to get PDGA Approval.
It's not officially a safety standard. It's simply establishes an equipment spec range.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Really? If the flex standard isn't about safety, what is the point of it again?
I always wondered how discs that could be hung out to dry like a sheet (Blowfly/Soft Vibram anything) are at all considered "discs".
A Blowfly isn't firm enough to be flat without assistance.
john1bl
Bogey Member
IT has been stated here and probably other sites that it was put in place for safety reasons so a good attorney will see this and will call it a safety standard weather it is title or not. As part of the mojo that is disc golf i just feel that this belongs with the dinosaurs. I just don't see the advantage of having stiffness or lack there of in putters. ex some lover the blowfly and other like the hard wizards.
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The problem is easy, in fact it is only 4 letters.....PDGA, the truth is I played the first 2 years of this sport unaware that a PDGA even existed. I'm not saying that they haven't done great stuff for this sport, but if someone was to start a better program with rules instead of misused guidelines, then a lot of disc golfers would switch. I really can care less, if I play in a PDGA sanctioned event or not. I just wanna play. From what I've gathered from a ton of members on this website alone, players are fed up with the fees, payouts, and rules or lack there of. Think back to the 80's.....Kmart was king, but did not see Walmart in the shadows coming up fast. People switched quickly for more stock and lower prices. Just saying...
We need a disc golf revolution, that and I've had about 6 beers prior to writing this..
We need a disc golf revolution, that and I've had about 6 beers prior to writing this..
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Cgkdisc
.:Hall of Fame Member:.
Prove that flex was a safety standard. It's simply a material standard. It's no more a safety standard than the max weight for a golf ball is a safety standard. The disc, a golf ball and a gun are all unsafe if used improperly.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Golf courses are on private land. If you get hit in the head with a golf ball, you weren't paying attention (just like taking a puck to the face at a hockey game). Disc golf courses are in public parks. You could get hit in the head while having a picnic thanks to an errant throw.
Chuck, you've stated yourself that the flex test was originally implemented as a safety measure. Look at your quote from post 3 that I linked. I appreciate what you're doing though.
Chuck, you've stated yourself that the flex test was originally implemented as a safety measure. Look at your quote from post 3 that I linked. I appreciate what you're doing though.
john1bl
Bogey Member
This quote is all that is needed to disprove that the flex standard is just a material standard.
I am not against the PDGA and the work they do or trying to be a troll.
jeverett
Double Eagle Member
I have to say I agree. The flex standard may be a bad/poorly designed standard in terms of the safety it affords/provides, but clearly it has some significance *as* a safety standard.
juju
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john1bl
Bogey Member
The other part of the letter I would like to address is the weight issue. I believe that there needs to be a field standard that gives room for scale error and non laboratory settings. If this is about 2g then this would allow players and TDs to use dieters scales to determan if a disc is legal or not. This is a cheap solution and will allow manufactures to make the disc at max weight.
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