[Question] Is BEEF in a lineup really necessary?

[kevdiv48]

(A little background on my throwing distances first
KC Pro Aviar: 250-275
Roc: 275-320
Teebird: 300-350
PD: 325-375
Wraith: 350+

So my question is: Are truly overstable discs necessary to have a well rounded lineup? I feel like I don't need anything more OS than the discs listed above, I just need to throw them with more hyzer on doglegs or headwind shots. If it makes any difference, I throw 100% LHBH off the tee, and have enough US plastic in the bag to hit left turning shots moderately well enough.
Any else have similar experience, or is it more of a personal preference on throwing a certain disc for a certain shot, or having more versatile discs?

 

[DISCenchanted]

It's nice to have a disc or two in the bag that you KNOW is going to fade hard or hook, regardless of how it's thrown or if strong winds are in play. Powering down on a hyzer takes careful execution and isn't 100%. It's better to be able to rip on a disc and know it's still going to fly stable. Would never have a bag w/o a Gator/Drone, Firebird/Predator, or an OS distance driver.

 

[sgamerp]

I only have a zone in my bag and a really beefy Eagle -X

 

[DiscNutt123]

Where's the BEEF!? Seriously though, I won't go anywhere without a couple super overstable discs. Do I use them often? No. Am I glad they're in my bag when I do happen to need that shot? Absolutely! Put some beef in your bag, it won't hurt

 

[Streets]

No one like a Vegan bag

 

[tampabay]

Depends on a lot of things.

For starters, do you play somewhere windy or with a lot of water, or both!

It also depends on the caliber of your course. There is a shot at my local course that is pretty much a backwards question mark and having a crazy OS disc (stiletto) always me to get a massive skip at the end.

 

[Kodachrome]

i say yes, but i guess i don't have a super beef disc.

my breaker and tsunami are as close i get to "beef". i use the breaker regularly and the tsunami for certain rollers/flex shots/hurricane winds/skips.

so it depends on the hole. but i say yes, because eventually you're going to play that hole/condition where you want it even though you didn't know you wanted it.

 

[tbird888]

I say no if you're confident with the discs in your bag.

The only BG Ams I played in I carried a Zone and a CFR PD which isn't even Predator beefy. I don't even think it's Tsunami beefy. We faced 40+mph winds the entire event. While everyone else was buying the vendors out of beefcakes, I was steadily climbing to a 3rd place finish in my division.

 

[Qikly]

In New Orleans, where the wind can top 25+ mph, it absolutely is. I can also make some approaches on pretty extreme angles using my Champ Banshee. Better for longer overhands, too. Beyond that, as others said, having a disc in your bag that will fade more or less the same regardless of conditions can be a boon.

 

[simpletwist]

I think it doesn't hurt to have some BEEF. I sometimes carry a Predator for mid to short throws that gotta go right A LOT if not far. LHBH throws of course. And I never play without a Flick (LHFH) most dependable driver in the bag. Again with my noodle arm I don't throw it a mile. 275-300 course distance before my shoulder surgery. Rare is the time when I need a left hook that Flick doesn't come through. And in my normal mid throws, I carry a Hornet and Viper if I need that sure backhand going right especially with some wind in my face.

To each his own.

I have a cart so I have the room to carry specialty and experimental discs.

 

[simpletwist]

Oh yeah, and talking about BEEF, I can't argue with that Flick when I got 3 aces with it.

 

[onemilemore]

I think a lot depends on the weather at your home course. I live in SoCal. It's generally warm with relatively little wind, so it is rare I use anything more stable than a Pain. In rare instances, the Trident makes an appearance, but most of the time it just takes up space in my bag.

 

[AndyJB]

I prefer speed stable. I carry a Teerex for OS shots because, with my power range, its still pretty OS for me. Same with theProton Volt. Works for me.

 

[Grungedude42]

If you're facing a heavily wooded hole as a RHBH player, and you have a hard left turn after a straight and narrow fairway, a hyzered straight disc just may not cut it. Also, for some big skip shots under canopy. Sometimes, you just need the beef.

 

[New013]

you don't need something really beefy but not having discs in that range is going to limit your ability to add more shots and possible lines to your game. for example

thumbers
flex FH's
flex BH's
stall and fade shots
big skip shots

you can throw those lines with less overstable discs but not as effectively and consistently.

 

[discspeed]

I know how it feels to get OCD if I go three rounds in a row without using a disc in my bag, wondering if I really need it. Usually the answer is that I don't need it, especially when I'm playing well. However, certain discs make certain lines easier and more predictable, requiring less from the thrower. There are days where just about any golfer would appreciate that. Even if your home course doesn't require them, you should still practice with overstable discs if you plan on competing anywhere else ever. Work your anny releases (perhaps the biggest weakness I see in the top am divisions in general).

 

[PMantle]

With my shoulder preventing me from throwing anything forehand, I find I am not missing my Predator at all. Been going more and more understable as time goes by, but then again, it's been a very calm summer here.

 

[JoeBob21]

hitting a shot "moderately well enough" is not good enough for me.

 

[kevdiv48]

Depends on a lot of things.

For starters, do you play somewhere windy or with a lot of water, or both!

It also depends on the caliber of your course. There is a shot at my local course that is pretty much a backwards question mark and having a crazy OS disc (stiletto) always me to get a massive skip at the end.

It's pretty windy out here in Iowa, so I'll pull disc up to an SPD or my domey FB when duty calls.
The caliber of courses also affects this, even when I go to Des Moines and play Ewing, Grandview, Walnut Ridge or Big Creek I have yet to find the need for anything really OS.

you don't need something really beefy but not having discs in that range is going to limit your ability to add more shots and possible lines to your game. for example

thumbers
flex FH's
flex BH's
stall and fade shots
big skip shots

you can throw those lines with less overstable discs but not as effectively and consistently.

I do throw overhead and skip shots with a firebird from time to time, but it tends to be a low frequency. I do see the advantage of being able to throw this kind of variety that only OS discs can achieve.

hitting a shot "moderately well enough" is not good enough for me.

And that's why I'm only ~900 rated.
But realistically I am intent on focusing on LHBH 100%. The time it would take to learn LHFH would be much more than the time it would take get better at turnovers and annys.

 

[jskew113]

I feel like I'd be at a loss without my Zone in the bag. I find myself using it all the time because I love how reliable it is. I carry a Shock for longer beef and I'm completely satisfied.