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Discraft needs to step their game back up'

lol just like Scarp knows Innova would have sold tons of Aviars and Rocs without pauls name on them at a nice premium from the proshop?!

good one. Innova laughs all the way to the bank as does Paul.
 
Aim For The Chains said:
lol just like Scarp knows Innova would have sold tons of Aviars and Rocs without pauls name on them at a nice premium from the proshop?!

good one. Innova laughs all the way to the bank as does Paul.
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You do know that Innova "sold tons of Aviars and Rocs" before Paul even started playing golf, right?

The KC stuff only sold if it was a good run of plastic, not because Climo's name was on them.
 
AndyJB said:
DanJon: great point. MVP is killing it without a single signed pro.
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Herein lies the issue within all of these conversations.

The percentage of DGCR members who might actually have an idea about Disc Golf Market share is a minuscule number.

The fact that people think MVP is "killing it" is the biggest sign of that.

Yes, they are growing. However, Innova is still the largest disc golf company, with Discraft being second. You might find that Latitude pushes its way up there, but MVP has a long way to go to get there. And in the grand scheme of things, they're still both relatively small businesses.

Discraft may be "stagnant" in its disc golf business, but remember that Innova JUST came out with their first ultimate disc. Discraft has been THE ultimate disc for 36 years.

The DGCR world is a small one and we would do well to remember that. The world is bigger than our own experiences.
 
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steinkecm said:
Herein lies the issue within all of these conversations.

The percentage of DGCR members who might actually have an idea about Disc Golf Market share is a minuscule number.

The fact that people think MVP is "killing it" is the biggest sign of that.

Yes, they are growing. However, Innova is still the largest disc golf company, with Discraft being second. You might find that Latitude pushes its way up there, but MVP has a long way to go to get there. And in the grand scheme of things, they're still both relatively small businesses.

Discraft may be "stagnant" in its disc golf business, but remember that Innova JUST came out with their first ultimate disc. Discraft has been THE ultimate disc for 36 years.

The DGCR world is a small one and we would do well to remember that. The world is bigger than our own experiences.
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^ he maketh some valid points.

I think shelf space is a pretty good indicator. No doubt there are many locations that sell Innova and don't carry any other brand, but right after Innova, is Discraft. I don't think anyone really comes that close.

How many places carry Innova & Discraft , but no one else? ...many.
Other than Innova, how many carry something other than Discraft, but don't carry Discraft? I haven't seen any.
 
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steinkecm said:
Herein lies the issue within all of these conversations.

The percentage of DGCR members who might actually have an idea about Disc Golf Market share is a minuscule number.

The fact that people think MVP is "killing it" is the biggest sign of that.

Yes, they are growing. However, Innova is still the largest disc golf company, with Discraft being second. You might find that Latitude pushes its way up there, but MVP has a long way to go to get there. And in the grand scheme of things, they're still both relatively small businesses.

Discraft may be "stagnant" in its disc golf business, but remember that Innova JUST came out with their first ultimate disc. Discraft has been THE ultimate disc for 36 years.

The DGCR world is a small one and we would do well to remember that. The world is bigger than our own experiences.
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^3rd this.

People that wail on Innova for being the "big bad corporate monster" or whatever are out of touch. Innova (as a company) IS the American Dream, as I've said before.
 
Moose33 said:
The main issue I have with them is the fact that I don't like how most of the discs look. The stamps with that blocky type and the rings around them are not appealing.

The plastic colors also look a little drab, especially some of the Ti and Esp blends. The big Z stamps are pretty cool, I almost got a Buzzz in that one. But for the most part they just aren't that pretty.
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Are you a chick?

"These discs look icky, I wouldn't throw THOSE!"

God forbid we should throw a disc based on its flight :|
 
steinkecm said:
Herein lies the issue within all of these conversations.

The percentage of DGCR members who might actually have an idea about Disc Golf Market share is a minuscule number.

The fact that people think MVP is "killing it" is the biggest sign of that.

Yes, they are growing. However, Innova is still the largest disc golf company, with Discraft being second. You might find that Latitude pushes its way up there, but MVP has a long way to go to get there. And in the grand scheme of things, they're still both relatively small businesses.

Discraft may be "stagnant" in its disc golf business, but remember that Innova JUST came out with their first ultimate disc. Discraft has been THE ultimate disc for 36 years.

The DGCR world is a small one and we would do well to remember that. The world is bigger than our own experiences.
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Yep, not that it is the best representation - just one of a different market - but disc golf center shows its top sellers. I've checked that site more times than my bank account appreciates, and I don't ever remember seeing an mvp disc make the list. It is all Innova, with buzz usually in the top3. I've seen the river on/off the list a bit lately for lat64.

Then the brick & mortar sales are different as well - but this varies greatly by region based on what the "cool kids" there throw, what is offered, and how it is promoted/displayed in the shop.
 
Community discs "top sellers" are always MVP molds in every single class.
(most of the time all MVP discs on the top 5 too lol)
 
Innova sells over 50% of all golf discs
Disc-tant 2nd for Discraft
Then Lat & MVP fairly equal
then a significant gap, and a grouping of all the regular suspects

So, killing it is relative, in an industry where nobody's really killing it (except patent attorneys). Distribution, saturation, and years repeating A and B. Once you establish longevity you've gotta stay relevant.. most choose to purchase hot young boys.


BTW Lat, Legacy, and MVP are all killing it IMO
 
ZAMson said:
Innova sells over 50% of all golf discs
Disc-tant 2nd for Discraft
Then Trilogy & MVP fairly equal
then a significant gap, and a grouping of all the regular suspects

So, killing it is relative, in an industry where nobody's really killing it (except patent attorneys). Distribution, saturation, and years repeating A and B. Once you establish longevity you've gotta stay relevant.. most choose to purchase hot young boys.
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Better get dat right. I pretty much see them all as the same thing. Even with those 3 together, MVP is right there with the holy trinity
 
Aim For The Chains said:
Community discs "top sellers" are always MVP molds in every single class.
(most of the time all MVP discs on the top 5 too lol)
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Community Discs might as well be the store front for DGCR. He buys the things he knows people from here want.

His sample size is also far too small to be indicative of any sort of market share.
 
Aim For The Chains said:
lol just like Scarp knows Innova would have sold tons of Aviars and Rocs without pauls name on them at a nice premium from the proshop?!

good one. Innova laughs all the way to the bank as does Paul.
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Who is Paul?

People really buy discs based on the name on them. Funny thing about that is a buddy of mine throws a valk. It has christian something or others name on it. We call it Christian slater. I couldn't pick a pro out of a lineup and I believe I am in the majority.
 
DatRedDude said:
Who is Paul?

People really buy discs based on the name on them. Funny thing about that is a buddy of mine throws a valk. It has christian something or others name on it. We call it Christian slater. I couldn't pick a pro out of a lineup and I believe I am in the majority.
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That's a good point.

When the McPro stuff gets restocked, how many are posted in each color? A couple hundred?

The majority of people order 2-3 or more to save on shipping, so you're selling to what, maybe 300-400 people each time they're restocked? How many of those people are repeat buyers? How many of them bought 8-10 just because they could? How many are retailers buying 100 at a time?

The realistic story attributed to the sales of "Paul's discs" is that it's a far smaller sect of disc golf than we are led to believe. The sale of Paul McBeth stamped discs is a boost of sorts, I'm sure, but it by no means contains any affect to Innova's market share. The sales from the proshop are superfluous and extraneous on top of the fact that big box retailers and gas stations carry Innova discs.

The valkyrie has Christian Sandstrom on it, by the way. And the only reason I know that is because I read it on the disc that I saw at the shop.
 
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