Cam Todd Pro Basket Prototype

[sidewinder22]

If you want to make putting tougher for only the Pros just close the circle. Anything inside the circle that isn't in the basket gets move to the nearest point outside the circle. No mods required and no cost.

10 m not far enough? Make it 15m, 20m.

That defeats any advantage to parking a shot from the tee, or laying up/strategy, especially on windy days.

Changing the size of the circle will make it harder to measure and use more paint or rope to mark the circle. It really doesn't change the difficulty of putting, just the difficulty of the logistics.

 

[sidewinder22]

You might be thinking a little extreme on the size of the basket. lets say you take off 2 inches off each side, we are not talking bullseye baskets either. Maybe next time you putt around, try watching where you hit the chains, my guess is well within the 2 inches. As for making harder courses, sure why not. but what about existing par 3 courses that you want to make more challenging but you don't have any additional land for that?

Titans are about 2" inches skinnier on the tray radius. Often when I hit the pole dead on the putter will not fall into the tray, but bounces outside because the front side of the tray is also 2" skinnier.

 

[sidewinder22]

my point is the baskets shouldnt be smaller. it's not feasible and the only people who want to play on smaller baskets are pros who putt really well and people upset Paul McBeth putts so damn good. the majority of disc golfers don't care about this issue and probably wouldn't enjoy their monthly excursion out disc golfing if it meant they had to two/three/four putt all over the place because a small percentage of disc golfers wanted it to be harder.

honestly im not sure i'd still enjoy disc golf as much if i had to play on skinny ass baskets where that was the case. it would be taking away a healthy percentage of the most exciting shots in disc golf... ie.. aces, throw ins from distance, long putts. a very entertaining part about disc golf is you can make a bad shot and still recover with great one. if you make baskets skinny as hell you're taking that away from the game. now if i made a bad shot and i'm 80' out there's almost no chance it's going in at all, wow yeah that's really improving the game and making it more accessible and likeable to the mainstream public.

if the top guys want to do it go ahead but for the majority of disc golf it's not feasible to suddenly change the paramaters of what a basket is. i'd also be willing to be there's a solid amount of pros who don't want baskets to be smaller and are fine with the way they are. you're telling me all the pros who are on the lower side of putting consistency want smaller baskets?

this is just like the top guys saying they want more wide open longer courses... no joke you throw further and more accurate than most pros so of course you want another advantage to help you finance your disc golf job.

i'm convinced some of you don't even think about all of the ramifications of this. all you see is ten top guys making a bunch of putts on videos and think yeah it's to easy for them. when there's 80 other guys there thinking damn i wish putting was easier.

Yep, it's like Stephen Curry wanting a smaller diameter hoop for free throws because they are so easy for him, in the meantime Shaq already couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

 

[JedV]

This thread has 13,649 views... And the gofundme site has 5 donations, still at $140 of $12,800.

Hmm.

 

[AndyJB]

This thread has 13,649 views... And the gofundme site has 5 donations, still at $140 of $12,800.

Hmm.

Methinks we are not the target market. Tough sell to the many of us, like myself, who already suck at putting and don't have a ton of money to throw around.

 

[Slider]

This thread has 13,649 views... And the gofundme site has 5 donations, still at $140 of $12,800.

Hmm.

I like the idea. I would donate if I felt the design made sense to me. I don't like the hexagon top. Overall, I think the regular baskets work but shorten the chain width by a couple inches is all.

 

[Steve West]

...They want a challenge, not a more acceptable par number...

Why not both?

 

[Noill]

I like the idea. I would donate if I felt the design made sense to me. I don't like the hexagon top. Overall, I think the regular baskets work but shorten the chain width by a couple inches is all.

I wonder if that design was just to get it done and not necessarily going to stay that way...

Looks like all that was done was to put a Gateway Bullseye on an adjustable pole... for that matter why not just put a basket and a tone pole together... that would make for a very hard putt...

 

[jeffmonty]

Methinks we are not the target market. Tough sell to the many of us, like myself, who already suck at putting and don't have a ton of money to throw around.

Definitely, I can't imagine any reason why any average joe golfer would want to donate to this. I don't care if the pros have to putt in to a peach basket. (Well, i probably do, but just not that much.)

 

[Jenga54]

Why not both?

only because it was put forward that way. if the top pros were telling the PDGA that the score numbers were kind of ridiculous, then the initiative would be to increase scores. there are lots of ways to increase scores, this is one, but one of many. if you want to make putting harder, then a smaller target makes sense, until new pin placements/obstacles can challenge the players.

the elevated basket does this to some extent, maybe the precursor to the tiny basket (can't say mini basket). i did this on a course i designed - lots of holes had a unique element here or there... but there was a shorter filler hole that teed over a small water hazard, 2 close trees, and then the basket was literally in the middle of an old soccer field. I had to get from A to B to keep some flow on the course. the only obstacle for almost 70' is a ditch. I elevated the basket to help keep things interesting, otherwise it's a 2.05 average par for 900+

 

[trumbulldore]

The best way for Disc Golf to grow as a sport isn't in the targets. I like this target, just like I like elevated pins, because it's something different. A target is a target is a target. McBeth has a video on his YouTube page of him putting at about 30ft(my guess) out. He has the chains tied up and is hitting center pole dropping putt after putt. Spit outs are few and far between. If you putt a disc dead center into the basket and you don't throw it too hard or too soft, it will hit chains and fall in. Anytime I miss off center, it's because I did not release right. Pro Ball Golfers get spit outs if they don't quite putt right either. This thread evolved into a #growthesport thread and how par isn't par for pros. If you want to grow disc golf, go give some extra plastic to a clearly new person, make a friend, and help teach them. Avoid the cliquey nature that exists and make it an open environment. Get the youth involved(that's what got me into disc golf back in 97/98). Be a positive role model and influence in your disc golf community and help your local club and courses grow. Let's also accept we have better technology(like ball golfers) and so scores are going to be lower than they used to be from Pro to Am. Disc Golf won't just grow through professionalism. Disc Golf will grow by getting people involved and helping them fall in love with what we are all clearly passionate about. You build communities from the ground up and not the top down. I think that's all that is floating on my brain for now

 

[cooter]

It seems like many on here just saw a smaller basket and completely shut off for any new ideas on the subject. I see a basket that has potential. It's a smaller area to hit but it looks like if you hit any chains at all your disc is going in. It would be hard to try and get a spit out on Cams basket. I don't believe making something a little harder, but a LOT more consistent is a bad thing.

 

[Slider]

It seems like many on here just saw a smaller basket and completely shut off for any new ideas on the subject. I see a basket that has potential. It's a smaller area to hit but it looks like if you hit any chains at all your disc is going in. It would be hard to try and get a spit out on Cams basket. I don't believe making something a little harder, but a LOT more consistent is a bad thing.

I agree. There is nothing wrong with making things challenging at all. So putting is a little, I mean a little harder, all you hear is boohoo. I think if you only take 2 inches off the sides many people will still hit center pole. Many people seem to cry if it gets a little tougher. Putting isn't easy for me and I think making it a little more challenging doesn't deter me at all. I like challenges and so I have to tighten up my form and actually practice, is that a bad thing?

 

[Hyzer Ale]

I like this basket when it is extended, just not a fan of the shorter position it can be in

 

[JedV]

The funds are still stuck at $140 of $12,800 raised. No love in the last week. :|

I'm officially indifferent. I don't want to see Cam fail, but I'm not inclined to help either... Other than this bump.


http://www.gofundme.com/CTProDiscGolf

 

[sidewinder22]

Around here we use bird baths, zero cut throughs.

 

[sidewinder22]

The bird bath is simultaneously pro and am ready. Pros have to putt into the top cylinder and Ams putt into the bottom cylinder.

 

[ejvogie]

Around here we use bird baths, zero cut throughs.

...until Odd Job plays your course :|

 

[JedV]

Bump. Still no additional funding. Stuck at 1% of the goal.

Me thinks that crowd funding ain't going to work for this project.

 

[worldwide]

you need to look at it as an investment. you pay money now to get worse scores sometime in the future.