2015 United States Disc Golf Championship

[Royalhghnss]

Sounds like Terry may do it!

 

[teemkey]

Sounds like Terry may do it!

On the Smashboxx Tuesday night they said Joe Hite (sp?) has some of the footage they'd need, and they'd have to do something about Terry's live commentary; but it would be doable.

 

[Flick Maniac]

Working on Round 3 with KJ Nybo, JohnE McCray, Arttu Sikanen.

Now thats an interesting card! Cant wait. :thmbup:

 

[Anon]

and they'd have to do something about Terry's live commentary; but it would be doable.

I know its more work for them... but it would be nice if they would just dump the live commentary. Edit the footage and then record some new commentary with somebody that played on the card or - at least - somebody who had to play in those conditions that day.

Crazy that its taking this long to get a properly edited and commentated video of the final round of the USDGC. I really hope they revisit and revise this 'media policy' nonsense next year.

 

[krupicka]

IMO It's crazy that people demand all of that work for what benefit? So a hundred people could watch it faster and still pay nothing for the privilege.

 

[Royalhghnss]

IMO It's crazy that people demand all of that work for what benefit? So a hundred people could watch it faster and still pay nothing for the privilege.

I'll bite.

People are just asking for what was promised. They explicitly said they'd have live coverage, and shorter edits up later. Those edits have failed to appear.

100 people? What? Worlds was streamed live, and yet my coverage, and McFly's coverage all has a minimum of 25k+ views per video. Most are closer to 30k with some over 40k. Combined you're nearing 100k views.

GBO was streamed live and yet Jomez's coverage has 160+k views.

 

[JC17393]

I'll bite.

People are just asking for what was promised. They explicitly said they'd have live coverage, and shorter edits up later. Those edits have failed to appear.

100 people? What? Worlds was streamed live, and yet my coverage, and McFly's coverage all has a minimum of 25k+ views per video. Most are closer to 30k with some over 40k. Combined you're nearing 100k views.

GBO was streamed live and yet Jomez's coverage has 160+k views.

Did they promise a deadline for the edited cuts? Have we reached it if they did? Because they've put out an awful lot of edited footage already, including a new upload just this morning, so it's not like they're done releasing videos from the event.

Maybe because the archive of the live stream of the lead card is there for people to watch (oh, boohoo, they have to fast-forward themselves), they aren't prioritizing those cards for the edited treatment. Doesn't mean they aren't going to do it at all, but maybe they plan for those to be among the last videos they release.

Cripes, we all know who won and how it happened. I don't understand the impatience over not having the precious edited versions out yet, especially since no one has anything on the line or at stake here.

 

[krupicka]

What other media company that provides live coverage of a sporting event promises and delivers edited/commentary versions of that live event for free viewing later?

 

[dusty5150]

What other media company that provides live coverage of a sporting event promises and delivers edited/commentary versions of that live event for free viewing later?

UFC model in disc golf? PPV live, then $1/view single card edited vids later?

we're kinda spoiled with coverage.

 

[WFreed]

We are not spoiled by live coverage. I started playing Disc Golf last may, and it wasnt until I thought "wonder how good at this a professional disc golfer is" and looked up tournament coverage (spin Tv) that I REALLY got into getting better at disc golf. Since last October I've played 18 sanctioned tournaments, countless non sanctioned tournaments, and purchased / got paid out hundreds in discs. Tournament coverage benefits disc golf companies financially over the short and long term.

 

[Pbmercil]

We are not spoiled by live coverage. I started playing Disc Golf last may, and it wasnt until I thought "wonder how good at this a professional disc golfer is" and looked up tournament coverage (spin Tv) that I REALLY got into getting better at disc golf. Since last October I've played 18 sanctioned tournaments, countless non sanctioned tournaments, and purchased / got paid out hundreds in discs. Tournament coverage benefits disc golf companies financially over the short and long term.

And what does that do for say, Terry Miller, AKA smashboxx tv AKA the guy that takes his vacation time from his real job, pays for all his own equipment and runs up hundreds of dollars in data charges on his cell plan just to film and broadcast events for us?

You do know Terry, and all the other videographers doing these tournament's aren't paid employees of any manufacture right?

 

[KGroff25]

And what does that do for say, Terry Miller, AKA smashboxx tv AKA the guy that takes his vacation time from his real job, pays for all his own equipment and runs up hundreds of dollars in data charges on his cell plan just to film and broadcast events for us?

You do know Terry, and all the other videographers doing these tournament's aren't paid employees of any manufacture right?

Terry quit his real job a while back. Disc golf media is his real job.

 

[Royalhghnss]

Did they promise a deadline for the edited cuts? Have we reached it if they did? Because they've put out an awful lot of edited footage already, including a new upload just this morning, so it's not like they're done releasing videos from the event.

Maybe because the archive of the live stream of the lead card is there for people to watch (oh, boohoo, they have to fast-forward themselves), they aren't prioritizing those cards for the edited treatment. Doesn't mean they aren't going to do it at all, but maybe they plan for those to be among the last videos they release.

Cripes, we all know who won and how it happened. I don't understand the impatience over not having the precious edited versions out yet, especially since no one has anything on the line or at stake here.

The standard is next day edited videos. McFly started doing it and I and Jomez followed suit. This is a step backwards. From Worlds, from GBO, from Masters Cup, From BSF, from Maple Hill Open, from Memorial.

They even had Jomez there filming lead card, and then for some reason had him not film the lead card Friday and Saturday. So now all we're left with is a 5+ hour live archive, and hopefully at some later date an edited version of that live coverage.

What other media company that provides live coverage of a sporting event promises and delivers edited/commentary versions of that live event for free viewing later?

Dynamic Discs at GBO, PDGA at Worlds, Discraft at Memorial, Vibram at Maple Hill Open.

And what does that do for say, Terry Miller, AKA smashboxx tv AKA the guy that takes his vacation time from his real job, pays for all his own equipment and runs up hundreds of dollars in data charges on his cell plan just to film and broadcast events for us?

You do know Terry, and all the other videographers doing these tournament's aren't paid employees of any manufacture right?

Terry doesn't have a traditional day job. His day job is disc golf stuff. Media, Running tourneys, selling plastic.

Your next paragraph is also wrong. Innova/Spin18 paid him to come shoot live coverage at USDGC, exactly like he's paid by TD's and sponsors EVERY time he does a live broadcast. He started out getting paid by Legacy at SD Open, was paid by the TDs at Ledgestone, Vibram at MPO, DD at GBO, Discraft/TD at Memorial. There is NO WAY he does this without getting paid. Costs are too high, and Terry is no dummy, not gonna do this for free/lose money.

Also the data costs are not 100's they're 1000+

 

[JC17393]

The standard is next day edited videos. McFly started doing it and I and Jomez followed suit. This is a step backwards. From Worlds, from GBO, from Masters Cup, From BSF, from Maple Hill Open, from Memorial.

The "standard" does not equate to "promised" nor "required". There are plenty of edited videos that come out days, weeks, and months after tournaments end. Spin being one of those outlets that takes more than just overnight to upload an edited round with commentary.

If you're one of the ones that turns around a video overnight, good for you. Much appreciated. But that doesn't mean that everyone else should be required or expected to do the same, especially if they made no promise to do so.

 

[Royalhghnss]

The "standard" does not equate to "promised" nor "required". There are plenty of edited videos that come out days, weeks, and months after tournaments end. Spin being one of those outlets that takes more than just overnight to upload an edited round with commentary.

Most of our videos do take this route, as it's really taxing to do next day videos. I do next days at 3 or 4 tourneys a year (the big ones). The rest take a lot longer to come out, as I have a day job and family.

If you're one of the ones that turns around a video overnight, good for you. Much appreciated. But that doesn't mean that everyone else should be required or expected to do the same, especially if they made no promise to do so.

Thanks! Stu and I put in 5 18 hour days at Worlds to bring you guys next day videos with commentary.

If they didn't want to put out edited versions of the last round lead card, they should not have set the expectation that they were going to. There is a place on their media page for that round, but they changed plans and it was not filmed by Jomez like the earlier rounds. This is why people are upset.

Honestly I don't care if it ever comes out, I don't have time to watch DG, I'm too busy editing my own footage. I'm just trying to explain why people are upset.

They set an expectation, and failed to follow through. If you don't want to do something, fine, but don't say you're going to do it.

 

[JC17393]

They set an expectation, and failed to follow through. If you don't want to do something, fine, but don't say you're going to do it.

This is the part I don't understand. Where have they failed to follow through? Just because it isn't happening fast enough for some folks doesn't mean they've failed. They haven't come out and said they're done, no more videos. THAT would be a broken promise and failing to meet expectations. That hasn't happened to my knowledge. Until we reach that point and there are actually promises unfulfilled, I think it's unfair to call anything a failure.

And just because they didn't ask Jomez to film the final round doesn't mean they don't have intentions of putting out an edited version of that round using the footage from the Smashboxx cameras (interspersed with what Jomez did shoot). They had footage from the round that they used for the final Insider Show. It came from somewhere. Assuming they haven't done the final round edit because they lack footage seems erroneous to me.

 

[mikeykline]

The "standard" does not equate to "promised" nor "required". There are plenty of edited videos that come out days, weeks, and months after tournaments end. Spin being one of those outlets that takes more than just overnight to upload an edited round with commentary.

If you're one of the ones that turns around a video overnight, good for you. Much appreciated. But that doesn't mean that everyone else should be required or expected to do the same, especially if they made no promise to do so.

If you are having media restrictions so every person with a camera and a youtube account cant go out and film your tournaments, you need to have some sort of standard. Mcfly/CCDG/Jomez does it, Spin tv can do it too. Make me pay for it, I will, don't make me pay for it, I wont.

 

[Pbmercil]

Terry doesn't have a traditional day job. His day job is disc golf stuff. Media, Running tourneys, selling plastic.

Your next paragraph is also wrong. Innova/Spin18 paid him to come shoot live coverage at USDGC, exactly like he's paid by TD's and sponsors EVERY time he does a live broadcast. He started out getting paid by Legacy at SD Open, was paid by the TDs at Ledgestone, Vibram at MPO, DD at GBO, Discraft/TD at Memorial. There is NO WAY he does this without getting paid. Costs are too high, and Terry is no dummy, not gonna do this for free/lose money.

Also the data costs are not 100's they're 1000+

I stand corrected on the specifics. I still think my point is valid tho. The gentleman I was replying to seems to think that by virtue of paying into disc golf in general that somehow means he's "paid" for tournament coverage. I think that's ridiculous.

I've been mostly a spinTV defender and advocate ever since the epic pile on started on around the EO. I still think they are overall doing a decent job and people's expectations are too high in general. But they definitely over promised and under delivered on the USDGC coverage. Its unfortunate, but I still don't see why people think they have a right to expect a certain quantity, quality, and timeliness of coverage.

 

[Royalhghnss]

This is the part I don't understand. Where have they failed to follow through? Just because it isn't happening fast enough for some folks doesn't mean they've failed. They haven't come out and said they're done, no more videos. THAT would be a broken promise and failing to meet expectations. That hasn't happened to my knowledge. Until we reach that point and there are actually promises unfulfilled, I think it's unfair to call anything a failure.

And just because they didn't ask Jomez to film the final round doesn't mean they don't have intentions of putting out an edited version of that round using the footage from the Smashboxx cameras (interspersed with what Jomez did shoot). They had footage from the round that they used for the final Insider Show. It came from somewhere. Assuming they haven't done the final round edit because they lack footage seems erroneous to me.

Spin has no intention of working on an edited version of the live coverage, and I don't think Terry was going to either until so many people started complaining that an edited version didn't exist.

The only footage they have is the live stuff, and some reaction shots from Jomez.

 

[JC17393]

Spin has no intention of working on an edited version of the live coverage, and I don't think Terry was going to either until so many people started complaining that an edited version didn't exist.

The only footage they have is the live stuff, and some reaction shots from Jomez.

Where is the bolded coming from? Has someone from Spin said that? Is there a link to where they've said that? Or is this just speculation based on hearsay based on guesswork?