why can't I throw my champion eagle straight?

[lovebecause]

I have played with 4 discs and throwing technique for several months by now. I can throw my AvengerSS, Champion Sidewinder speed 9 straight and my leopard 3 speed 7 straight. When I throw my 12x champion eagle the disc fades to the right hard and I can't get the disc to fly flat at all. Any thoughts?

 

[INTP]

Are you a forehand thrower?

If you can only get a Sidewinder to go straight, then the Eagle is too overstable for your power capabilities.

You could cheat and give the Eagle an anhyzer release and call it a flex shot disc.

 

[lovebecause]

The sidewinder and the eagle have the same ratings minus glide and speed. The sidewinder is a speed 9 and 3 turn while the eagle is speed 7 and 3 turn. I could reserve it for a forehand throw and to bend the disc in tight woody places.

 

[DiscJunkie]

Don't place too much faith in those flight ratings. Innova originally made the Eagle in DX plastic, and the flight ratings are a good match for DX plastic.
However, if you have a normal Champ Eagle, it will be waaaay more stable than a normal Sidewinder.

 

[wims]

Eagle has a -1 turn, and a 3 in fade. The Eagle is actually quite an overstable disc, especially for new players.

 

[flightpath]

I throw my eagles 400 and they turn a little bit have a very healthy fade left. Not all discs are meant to go straight. This eagle is another arrow in your quiver, practice and see what shapes you can throw by changing the release angle.

 

[BirdieMachine]

Champ Eagle is not a flippy disc like an ASS or Sidewinder so I see no problem.

 

[weaktit]

You've probably seen it...but this helps me and seems pretty accurate: Marshall Street Flight Guide

 

[scarpfish]

Why would you want your discs to all go straight? They make different molds for a reason.

 

[Three Putt]

I'm assuming you throw forehand or left handed backhand due to the fact that the Eagle is fading to the right.

All of the discs you listed have some early turn. If the sidewinder or Avenger SS are flying straight (not turning over at all early, then coming back a little as they slow down) you probably are not getting a lot of snap on the disc, which makes understable discs like a Leopard or Sidewinder or Avenger SS the discs that will work for you.

The Eagle is stable to overstable. It turns a little early but it comes back hard at the end. If you don't snap it hard enough to get that early turn, all you see is that late fade. The Eagle has a lot more fade than the other three discs you mentioned.

Basically it a "one of these things is not like the other" deal. The Avenger SS and Sidewinder are very close to being the same disc and the Leopard is a slower, more dependable version of that same type of disc. The Eagle is an entirely different kind of driver, so it should fly differently.

 

[INTP]

The sidewinder and the eagle have the same ratings minus glide and speed. The sidewinder is a speed 9 and 3 turn while the eagle is speed 7 and 3 turn. I could reserve it for a forehand throw and to bend the disc in tight woody places.

Your understanding of the flight numbers is incorrect. The Eagle has a -1 turn, but in Champ plastic I'd even say 0 turn. I have 11x and 12x Champ Eagles, one that is really beat in is consistent with the -1 turn. Fresh, very very different from the Sidewinder.

While you may not be getting the ideal line with these discs, if you can only meathook the Eagle, then so be it, it'll be your go-to meathook shot.

 

[bankiebomber]

I carry three Eagles . A Star which flies true to the flight numbers, a DX which is beat and flippy and a Champion which is very over stable, definitely a 0 turn at speed 7. If you like Eagles try a star or DX if you want a straighter flight.

 

[Reniger]

I love my Eagles, but, as many others have stated, they are not meant to be straight discs. Then again, neither are the Avenger SS or Sidewinder. Both the A-SS and SW are very, very understable. Typically, to get these discs to fly straight, they are either hyzerflipped on a pretty extreme hyzer, or they are underthrown drastically. I by no means intend to insult you, but if you're only a few months into the sport, I would gather that your form and arm speed are not ejecting the discs at proper speed. Meaning that for higher speed discs (Sidewinder: 9, Avenger SS: 10) you are relying on extremely understable discs to fly straight, instead of turning as they are intended.

A good judge of why the Eagle is behaving this way would be to measure how far these three discs are flying for you. They should all be going a minimum of 300' on a flat release to see the projected flight paths. If you are throwing much shorter than that, the flight rating numbers will be heavily skewed. In that case, I would recommend slower discs and working on form (tons of resources for that from blogs, to youtube, to posting form critique videos for others to offer help)

All in all, an Eagle should be quite overstable. Especially in Champion plastic. My Star Eagles fly very true to flight numbers with a little turn before hyzering out, but in Champion plastic at max weight, they fly very straight for about 280' before a fairly strong fade and big skip, ending around 320'. When I do an alt bag, I use these as mini-PDs.

 

[ThrowBot]

Eagle X vs. Eagle L

I'm assuming that you have an eagle X. They're overstable, especially in champ plastic, compared to a SW or an ASS which are both understable. An eagle L is closer to true straight/stable. With an eagle X you might never really get a very straight flight...maybe if it's well beat in.

I agree with others: if you have other discs that will fly a straight line, and the champ eagle will reliably do something else, then that's just one more shot in your bag. You don't need or want every disc to fly exactly the same. In theory every disc can be made to fly straight, but it's not that critical to the game.

 

[lovebecause]

yesterday at the course I threw some drives before playing. I think my release point and angle I'm throwing at make a difference. Yesterday I got it to go straight for a while. I'm working on it. Thank you for your support.

 

[INTP]

Wooosh

 

[art_vandelay]

Has anyone else bought a newer champ sidewinder that was freakishly over stable out of the box? The one I just got is almost as hard to turn as an Eagle. It does not fade like an eagle but it does not do much sidewinding at all. I'm hoping it will beat into a great disc.

 

[Stardoggy]

yesterday at the course I threw some drives before playing. I think my release point and angle I'm throwing at make a difference. Yesterday I got it to go straight for a while. I'm working on it. Thank you for your support.

You're not understanding. Not all discs are meant to go straight.

 

[Dan Ensor]

Best. Troll. Ever.

 

[ThrowBot]

Has anyone else bought a newer champ sidewinder that was freakishly over stable out of the box? The one I just got is almost as hard to turn as an Eagle. It does not fade like an eagle but it does not do much sidewinding at all. I'm hoping it will beat into a great disc.

We had some champ sidewinders made last year with a club stamp and they were pretty crispy right out of the box. The plastic was almost jolly-launcher-ish. I wouldn't say overstable, but it was the most stable SW I've ever thrown. Even after a little bit of breaking in it doesn't flip as much as my other (heavier) champ sidewinders but the others are pretty well seasoned and PFN.

I just chalked it up to new champ plastic, but it's funny that you mentioned recent sidewinders being more hoggish.