[Recommend] Next step up from a Leopard?

[tbird888]

I'd try more field practice with the Leopard. If I were really smart I'd add that lightweight Sidewinder into that practice and figure out how to make it not turn and burn.

 

[hugheshilton]

Triple B, What Plastic Is the Valkyrie? I have both a Champion glow and a Star version in same wight and the Champion versions require less power to throw. Get a Champion version even glow will be less stable then the Star version.

My experience with Valkyries is that they are a bit all over the board in stability. I have thrown both overstable and understable Star and Champion Valks. I don't think I would say as a blanket statement that Champ is less stable than Star honestly. If you can't actually look at them in a store and compare wing heights, then I think it's mostly luck of the draw unless you get DX or go with a much lighter weight.

 

[Casey 1988]

Before you buy something in GStar, find a GStar disc in a store and see how it feels to you. I don't like GStar; other people do. If you do like GStar, the TL3 might give you some more distance over the Leopard.

For Trilogy: the Witness, Thief, or Falchion are higher speed discs. The Falchion is a lot like the (normal weight) Sidewinder; I bag the Falchion.

But like the others said, there's no rush; consider future purchases carefully and how they integrate into your evolving game.

With the exception of putters I could not use G Star either. Now if they had a Pro Star plastic that would be cool a mash up of Pro plastic and Star or even R-Pro Star same concept except one plastic is R-Pro. Champion Star would be interesting as well, I liked the Pro Champion plastic they had out for a few years in 2003 to mid 2000's feeling a friends discs in that plastic, just it was always sold out in the stores so I never bought any discs in that plastic.

 

[Keller]

Get a Polaris LS in millennium plastic and a DX Cheetah in the 170's. They will surprise you.

Higher speed isn't going to gain you anything, no matter what SD86 tries to feed you.

 

[Casey 1988]

My experience with Valkyries is that they are a bit all over the board in stability. I have thrown both overstable and understable Star and Champion Valks. I don't think I would say as a blanket statement that Champ is less stable than Star honestly. If you can't actually look at them in a store and compare wing heights, then I think it's mostly luck of the draw unless you get DX or go with a much lighter weight.

Yes but I thought the plastic its self for the Valkyrie was more overstable in Star then Champion. Both Star and Champion Valkyrie discs I have are same weight and dome are the same. The Star Valkyrie I have always had to power more then the 2 different Champion models I have had over the years, both Champion models were low domed like the Star one.

Of course I always get a low domed model of disc in Valkyries and that could make a difference too. I like drivers in a low dome as they initially take less power to throw then a high dome model so, I a smaller player can throw them further as I am not wasting energy initially getting the disc going.

 

[SD86]

With the exception of putters I could not use G Star either. Now if they had a Pro Star plastic that would be cool a mash up of Pro plastic and Star or even R-Pro Star same concept except one plastic is R-Pro. Champion Star would be interesting as well, I liked the Pro Champion plastic they had out for a few years in 2003 to mid 2000's feeling a friends discs in that plastic, just it was always sold out in the stores so I never bought any discs in that plastic.

I don't know this for sure, but from the feel of some Pro discs I have, I always thought that Star plastic was Pro with some extra additives for durability.

A "Champion Star", if it felt like Gold Line/Fuzion but more durable like Champion, would be awesome to me.

 

[djcadence]

I'd say try a champion sidewinder in the 165 range, or try a star TL.

 

[Casey 1988]

I don't know this for sure, but from the feel of some Pro discs I have, I always thought that Star plastic was Pro with some extra additives for durability.

A "Champion Star", if it felt like Gold Line/Fuzion but more durable like Champion, would be awesome to me.

Or if it was like Big Z a combo of ESP and Elite Z togther, ever felt a disc in that plastic, it is nice though I have yet to own a disc in that plastic. I might get a disc in that plastic If I ever get More discs from Discraft.

 

[EROPPER]

the Falchion from Lat64 is very nice and controllable for new players IMHO, I still use it for hyzerflips and turnovers

 

[elmexdela]

Dude. Stop buying discs and learn the few staple molds that you have. Throw your putters and your roc/buzzz. You'll be happier a year from now.

Straight up.

This is why Im not going to help OP out further, OP learned literally nothing from last thread.

 

[Streets]

Straight up.

This is why Im not going to help OP out further, OP learned literally nothing from last thread.

The OP would be better off creating threads in the Technique thread. New discs don't help your game.

 

[TripleB]

Triple B, What Plastic Is the Valkyrie? I have both a Champion glow and a Star version in same wight and the Champion versions require less power to throw. Get a Champion version even glow will be less stable then the Star version.

It's a DX 168g. Again, don't mind the plastic, just something about the disc makes it feel and throw heavier than 168g...maybe it's just me not being able to get it up to speed.

TripleB

 

[TAFL]

What is the next step up from a Leopard in distance if I've got an average 50 year old man's arm speed and want a perfectly straight flight through tightly wooded courses?

I'm looking at a River but didn't know if there is a better/easier/longer option out there.
TripleB

I'd suggest trying a Leopard3 and a Cheetah. See how those fly for you in your efforts to nail straight lines. An MVP Relay is in the same speed category and carries extremely well.

 

[Casey 1988]

It's a DX 168g. Again, don't mind the plastic, just something about the disc makes it feel and throw heavier than 168g...maybe it's just me not being able to get it up to speed.

TripleB

Then you are not ready for a Valkyrie. Then for me a smaller player at about 2/3 a year into playing I got a DX Valkyrie 170 grams as a 14 year old back in 2004, birthday had not happened yet. I did use it for 2 years till a dog that a fisherman had got lose and was a hunting dog so it took my DX disc and ruined the disc to the point I just threw it away, got my Champion Disc that year in 2005 the JK 5 time disc. I am still small but can use a Champion Destroyer one is 167 grams the main one then a more beefy Champion one with same dome height at 170 grams as my distance discs. I prefer to use the Valkyrie as my distance disc as a Speed 9 or 10 is where I tend to do best with Distance discs, a 12 is on my edge and I can use them better if I get a lighter model like my 167 gram model. I am one of the rare players that can use a Valkyrie into a Headwind as I throw the disc low and flat for the most part unless I need a specific shot.

 

[TripleB]

Sidewinder or Roadrunner in a reasonable weight like 165-170g. Likely Gstar so they will be mellow. They'll be much more stable than the light DX Sidewinder you have, but not overstable.

I agree with slowplastic, try an upper 160's Sidewinder, I'd go GStar too.

Just one more quick question: how does weight effect stability? ie: how would a 165-168g DX Sidewinder fly compared to the 152g DX Sidewinder I have?

Just curious as to how heavier/lighter weights of the same disc effect stability.

Thank you!

TripleB

 

[SD86]

Just one more quick question: how does weight effect stability? ie: how would a 165-168g DX Sidewinder fly compared to the 152g DX Sidewinder I have?

Just curious as to how heavier/lighter weights of the same disc effect stability.

Thank you!

TripleB

Lighter weight discs should get more distance, as the same amount of power applied to a lighter disc would get it going faster out of the hand. But while one would think lighter weight would make a disc more understable, in reality that may not be the case. It still depends on how the disc molded up during production. I have a Starlite Valkyrie that flies like... my other, heavier Valkyries.

But one might overpower a lighter disc more easily. And lighter weight discs tend to be affected by wind more, as well.

 

[Everett Evans]

In general, heavier = more overstable.

 

[slowplastic]

Yeah in general heavier is more overstable, when talking about a significant change. 150 to 165+ is significant, while 165 to 170 is pretty insignificant IME. Wing height or PLH is most important factor, but if two discs have the same PLH and a significant weight difference, the lighter one should be less stable...I haven't really got to throw two discs with identical PLH and plastic type like champ vs. blizzard champ but in same wing height. I do know that a "beefy" 150's star Destroyer does act different than a beefy 170's Destroyer...but they can still be stable.

I would definitely bet on a 165+ DX Sidewinder being noticeably more OS than a 152.

 

[PBokor]

...I would definitely bet on a 165+ DX Sidewinder being noticeably more OS than a 152.

Do these physics apply to noodle arm, 50 somethings like me. I get that it works as such for players throwing 50-60+ mph at release. How about us folks that release at 45-50 mph? Does anything change in the equation?

TIA

 

[dysmike]

Do these physics apply to noodle arm, 50 somethings like me. I get that it works as such for players throwing 50-60+ mph at release. How about us folks that release at 45-50 mph? Does anything change in the equation?

TIA

The physics are still the same, the lower weight makes it slightly easier to get up to speed.

I started putzing with 150 class discs a few years ago, I've found that there are several I really actually prefer to their max weight counterparts. However, in those cases it's because they fly with the same stability, but about 20' longer for me. Most notably in these is the champ firebird, but the 150 class ones of those I have are all pretty flat...