How far should you throw a mid?

[Lancerswimmer89]

I have been trying to rebuild my technique these last few months, been working a lot on getting a strong pull-through.

My question to you guys is this....how far should I be able to throw my mids before I start throwing drivers? I've been driving off the pad with a EMAC Truth and am hitting about 250 fairly consistently, and I plan on continuing this for at least a few more weeks, but should I start looking at some fairway drivers when I can hit around 300' feet on a regular bases with my mid-range?

 

[lines]

How are you throwing the truth to hit 250? Straight? Hyzer? Anny? Hyzer flip? I can get a mid to average 275-300 in the open, making sure i get some air under it keeping the nose down.

 

[slowplastic]

Straight fairway drivers won't hurt your form at all, and they will be more nose angle sensitive than mids as well. No need to not throw discs speed 7-9ish to keep working on your form.

I do think that mids should be flying 275+ on a hyzer flip or flat throw when you're getting things going though. But don't punish yourself and avoid fairway drivers while you're working on it.

 

[Lancerswimmer89]

I'm throwing them flat, that has been one of my biggest issues. Oddly enough I can throw hyzers and slight turnovers without much difficulty, but getting it flat out of the hand has been a issue since I started playing.

But flat out of the hand, I'm hitting 220-250 fairly consistent right now

 

[slowplastic]

I think a straight putter is the best disc for practicing a flat release. It should just hold that line nearly all the way to the ground. Anything in the Aviar/Wizard/Anode/Warden/etc. class of putters. That way you can also power them down or up as much as you want to see if you start getting off line at some point, they don't have a minimum power requirement like a Truth will have.

The EMac Truth is a great disc, but I feel like it responds well to a hard throw. Either very flat, or even slight hyzer so it pops up and goes dead straight. The easiest way to get a straight shot is with a midrange like that with a tiny bit of turn, and a slight hyzer release. The little angle and little turn will cancel each other out over a variety of variations. Whereas a dead straight/neutral disc and a completely flat release is much harder to replicate. It's good to practice but much harder to execute every time, it's like that for everyone.

If you're trying to break through 250' with a Truth then get some video up, there are probably a couple relatively important things to change that will help out.

 

[Lancerswimmer89]

Well, I was throwing a warrant as well on a few shots...they were coming out flat....turning, and then fading predictably at the end of the flight, so I think the mechanics are getting there....or I HOPE they are anyways!

 

[Broken Shoulder]

Straight fairway drivers won't hurt your form at all, and they will be more nose angle sensitive than mids as well. No need to not throw discs speed 7-9ish to keep working on your form.

I do think that mids should be flying 275+ on a hyzer flip or flat throw when you're getting things going though. But don't punish yourself and avoid fairway drivers while you're working on it.

100% what slowplastic said.
You're not going to hurt anything throwing fairways.

 

[BrotherDave]

Well, I was throwing a warrant as well on a few shots...they were coming out flat....turning, and then fading predictably at the end of the flight, so I think the mechanics are getting there....or I HOPE they are anyways!

Throwing the Warrant on a hyzer flip is probably going to benefit your form more than trying to throw an EMac Truth flat. You can get away with sloppy form a lot more with a disc with LSS and resistance to turn.

 

[Grippenripp]

Straight fairway drivers won't hurt your form at all, and they will be more nose angle sensitive than mids as well. No need to not throw discs speed 7-9ish to keep working on your form.

I do think that mids should be flying 275+ on a hyzer flip or flat throw when you're getting things going though. But don't punish yourself and avoid fairway drivers while you're working on it.

I had recently wondered about this myself and have only been throwing mids and putters lately. Guess I can pick the escape and zombee back up

 

[eegor]

I really like to throw mids when I play rounds, but when I throw for form I throw my opto Pures, Spikes, Envys and Ridges. I've collected a lot of putters over the years, so these are my "go to" discs for field work. I'm 57yo, so I don't get a lot of power from the core like the youngsters, but I can get my putters out to 225 ft pretty consistent. The Pures out to 250 ft.

Mids are a LOT easier to throw, but I can't get them to go over 275 ft consistently. I'm not sure why, I use the same form.

Point is... I agree with the above posts that throwing putters will help with learning to throw flat and nose down better than mids because they're less forgiving at full power.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

Putters and mids like a little nose up.
Keep the drivers in for nose down.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Putters and mids like a little nose up.
Keep the drivers in for nose down.

Well this really depends when trying to hit longer angles with slower molds. In my experience you cant throw any putter or mid nose up and hit 300'.

I can clear 300' on a good nice high line with an ion but that is nose down 4 sure and same with hyzer flipping something like a theory.

Same concept as throwing down holes like 18 hyland and 1 elm creek etc. Always slower nose down stable/us molds and boooooom!

 

[slowplastic]

^Agree with Aim, if I am going to push a putter past 280' or a mid past 300' it needs to be nose down for sure. And generally have some 12' or more of height if I had to guess at my arm speed.

 

[Broken Shoulder]

Well this really depends when trying to hit longer angles with slower molds. In my experience you cant throw any putter or mid nose up and hit 300'.

I can clear 300' on a good nice high line with an ion but that is nose down 4 sure and same with hyzer flipping something like a theory.

Same concept as throwing down holes like 18 hyland and 1 elm creek etc. Always slower nose down stable/us molds and boooooom!

For sure. Depends on what you're doing.
My point was that you can get away with some nose up with putters and mids without turning the shot into a newb hyzer as you would if you were throwing a driver. They're way more forgiving of nose angle.

 

[Zanguini]

I feel that mids and putters are easier to control with a little nose up especially inside 200 ft. But it really depends, for me at least, how i want the disc to land.

 

[art_vandelay]

I don't think there is a general rule for mids and putters. Stating the obvious, some shots require nose up and some nose down...it depends on a lot of things like wind, distance uphill or downhill, slope of the green etc. On the other hand there are very few times when a driver will not fly better when released nose down or at least flat. Unless you are trying to do a trick shot of some kind releasing drivers nose up is mistake and will usually result in the dreaded newbie hyser.

 

[knettles]

A lot of good stuff on this thread already. But I've always explained it like this to newer players. If your mid and your driver are going the same distance, you're not ready to be throwing that particular driver yet. And I guess that can be extended to pretty much anyone. I don't have the form to throw super far, so generally anything over a speed 11 doesn't get any extra distance. That's how I know my cutoff.

 

[Shamis]

I throw my mids about 250. I usually need a fairway driver to hit 300. If you want to throw mids further you need to look for different molds. You'll want something with a little more turn than an emac truth.

 

[Lancerswimmer89]

I've been hitting 250 with decent form, I'm confident that with a little work I should be able to get out to 300' with it. The idea is that driving off the pad w/ a mid will help build my form, and i'll be able to push a driver out a fair amount farther than my mid-ranges

 

[slowplastic]

I throw my mids about 250. I usually need a fairway driver to hit 300. If you want to throw mids further you need to look for different molds. You'll want something with a little more turn than an emac truth.

EMac Truths go far, I bet McCabe can put them 375-400' without much trouble. I definitely disagree. If you throw mids 250' then you need to go up a disc class or two to get 300', as you said...going to something with more turn may net like 10-15' if the EMacs are too stable. But if you want to throw mids 300' it will take a bit of form work, but it's definitely doable. I think that mids generally want to be in that 280-300' range with decent form, it's a pretty typical range lots of players expect out of their mids. But that being said it usually takes some form checking, but it's really not that bad to get them 280'+ if you are willing to make a few adjustments.

Throwing a disc the same way for weeks will just ingrain muscle memory, you have to actively make adjustments and figure out what to change in order to get a distance change.