brutalbrutus
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Yea I just went and watched his ITB. I could have sworn he was using McP aviars at some point. I can remember him talking about it during a Jomez vid but that was from early last year sometime.
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paulw
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Read most of the McBeth speculation and wanted to guess Paul asked for X, Innova declined, Paul will go elsewhere for a while, do ok (accompanied with lots of Internet over analyzing), then will eventually find his way back to Innova at some point down the road.
Boring guess, but that's my guess.
Boring guess, but that's my guess.
Orioles_Lefty
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Once this here sport gets grown, disc golf will have the same coverage of contracts and free agency as other sports do. I know they've discussed contract secrecy on The Upshot. We wouldn't have to do all this speculating if secrecy weren't the case, and companies wouldn't have their business practices/motives speculated about apart from any details.
Cycling has contracts that end Dec 31 but pro team roster changes get reported upfront not only because of media coverage but because riders will show up at their new teams' late Fall riding camps which receive media coverage. They wear their current team/sponsor gear at their new teams' camps, so it makes for an interesting visual.
So Paul's now throwing different plastic but unless anyone captures the evidence (like the video of Oakley acing with the DD Truth) we will just have to wait for an announcement, though the conspiracy theories and ideas detached from disc golf's material reality have been quite entertaining.
Cycling has contracts that end Dec 31 but pro team roster changes get reported upfront not only because of media coverage but because riders will show up at their new teams' late Fall riding camps which receive media coverage. They wear their current team/sponsor gear at their new teams' camps, so it makes for an interesting visual.
So Paul's now throwing different plastic but unless anyone captures the evidence (like the video of Oakley acing with the DD Truth) we will just have to wait for an announcement, though the conspiracy theories and ideas detached from disc golf's material reality have been quite entertaining.
What would disc golf look like in 5 years if Nike sponsored PMcB and entered the market with 5-6 new molds designed by the man himself?
My guess: Nike, Adidas, Calloway, etc. could easily get a disc golf manufacturing cell established in 6-12 months, complete R&D, and hit the market with the most consistent plastics & molding of any current manufacturer. As a consumer, I would pay ~$30 for a new disc if it was consistent and flew the same every time.
Nike & Adidas are vertically integrated and could easily offer shoes, apparel, bags, golf accessories, even baskets, etc. with minimum changes in the current workflow. They're just adding new PNs...
Financially, any of those companies could offer a monster contract without batting an eye... Paul could also conceivably get lifetime residuals on the introductory (5-6) molds. How does $2/disc FOREVER sound?
At any rate, golf is decreasing in popularity. I have to think some of those dedicated golf brands would start to look for alternate revenue channels to supplement the drop in market size.
People are talking about the next big thing in disc golf and how to bring more money/sponsorships to the game... In my opinion, the fastest way to reach those goals is to get a mainstream athletic company involved in the manufacturing side.
My (uneducated, non-fact-driven) guess is that combined disc sales from all mfgs are ~$125M/Yr. If McBeth introduced Nike discs into disc golf, I think they could steal 1/4 of that market share by year 5. That's (conceivably) >$30M!
My guess: Nike, Adidas, Calloway, etc. could easily get a disc golf manufacturing cell established in 6-12 months, complete R&D, and hit the market with the most consistent plastics & molding of any current manufacturer. As a consumer, I would pay ~$30 for a new disc if it was consistent and flew the same every time.
Nike & Adidas are vertically integrated and could easily offer shoes, apparel, bags, golf accessories, even baskets, etc. with minimum changes in the current workflow. They're just adding new PNs...
Financially, any of those companies could offer a monster contract without batting an eye... Paul could also conceivably get lifetime residuals on the introductory (5-6) molds. How does $2/disc FOREVER sound?
At any rate, golf is decreasing in popularity. I have to think some of those dedicated golf brands would start to look for alternate revenue channels to supplement the drop in market size.
People are talking about the next big thing in disc golf and how to bring more money/sponsorships to the game... In my opinion, the fastest way to reach those goals is to get a mainstream athletic company involved in the manufacturing side.
My (uneducated, non-fact-driven) guess is that combined disc sales from all mfgs are ~$125M/Yr. If McBeth introduced Nike discs into disc golf, I think they could steal 1/4 of that market share by year 5. That's (conceivably) >$30M!
You can pretty much guarantee if it has Paul's name on it, he's getting a cut. Unless Innova gave him some kind of payoff money when the contract is dissolved.
Quote text please. Thx.
Quote text please. And from what site, web link, etc. Thx.
mcodyclapp
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Why are you in so much denial about this?
http://imgur.com/goOIqC1
https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/c...hink_paul_is_going/?utm_source=reddit-android
Moseley
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... And why do some people (you) have such a visible need to feel certain
look, none of those quotes prove anything beyond what these people thought at the time. Part of it (mcb leaving Innova) has later been confirmed, and there's an argument to be had, until we get more news, about the probability that the rest is true (DC). I'd say you're in denial if you don't realize this
Personally I believe he's going to DC, but I find it strange that they don't announce it. I understand his previous contract lasts till 12/31, but Innova announced his departure - it seems strange to me that DC can't at least announce his signing.... It leaves Innova a lot of room to exploit Paul's name and no room for Paul (or DC) to do anything, really. Seems like a bad deal
Flick Maniac
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Im in your camp. Seems likely but nothing is certain until they announce it.
dehaas
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I get both sides of this, the rumor is DC supposedly coming from relevant sources but until it's announced nobody knows for sure.
The largest reason I'm not 100% sold it's DC is the thank you post he made to Innova. The way it read almost sounded like something a child would say to their parent after a large accomplishment. I took that as he is taking a huge step, not just going to a competitor who simply offered more cash. Almost like it was a matter of time before he "hit it big".
Maybe I just read into it too much, but I still don't think you can rule out some affiliation with a legit big time company.
The largest reason I'm not 100% sold it's DC is the thank you post he made to Innova. The way it read almost sounded like something a child would say to their parent after a large accomplishment. I took that as he is taking a huge step, not just going to a competitor who simply offered more cash. Almost like it was a matter of time before he "hit it big".
Maybe I just read into it too much, but I still don't think you can rule out some affiliation with a legit big time company.
To me as well, the way the Innova post read made it seem like he was going to go out on his own rather then just sign with a new company.
biscoe
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why would innova recognize another company's existence in their press release?
No disrespect to Ian and his mates, but they're not exactly at the forefront of the disc golf business end of things for anything they say to be taken as gospel. And there still appears to be guessing going on...
FireCrotch: "I don't think those two are true, but I could see him starting his own "brand" within another discgolf company like Jordan is to Nike Basketball. Like, these 6 discs we make are McBeth's discs and his bag is just full of them."
Royalhghnss CCDG - Ian: "This I can definitely see happening."
Further down: "Getting crazier. KJ taking Paul's spot. edit: Cory says my other source is wrong."
C'mon..."source" proves there's some fishing going on.....some people were acting as if Paul gave Ian a call..."hey...want an exclusive?" puhlease........
Just seems like everyone was/is just playing everyone to get in on the hype. And all this talk of no announcement from Discraft, as if Discraft and Innova agreed... so Innova could sell out the last remaining PMB discs. As if Innova needed the time/cash to "clear out pmb stock", etc, etc, puhlease......
I'll admit..my faith that he ends staying with Innova is a bit weakened...but there's just not enough actual fact to make me believe he's going to of all places...Discraft. But what about all those pros, journalists who said it was fact? To save face all they will have to say is.."There was some last minute agreements that couldn't be made, yada..yada..yada". Typical trolling...blame it on someone else and never admit you were hyper trolling.
Now there is one Discraft pro on this board who I would 100% believe if he flat out says it, but until now from what I have seen it's just clever use of emojis, a few perceived responses, etc. Still waiting for something more concrete from MJ.
I still think..to end a 12 year relationship with just a small write up, is a bit perplexing, especially if the relationship was ended on good terms... now...tbh...if the relationship was not ended on good terms..then perhaps the small write up was warranted. hmm.....
I find MVP disc to be very consistent, and they charge same as everyone else. I picked a disc off the shelf over the weekend, and it flew same as the disc I bought 3 years ago. Same model, same weight.
hurricaine
Birdie Member
No offense, but buying two discs that happen to fly the same three years apart is anecdotal at best. Perhaps there is more context to your claim, but a 2-unit data set is hardly empirical...
jakebake91
* Ace Member *
To those people who think he is going off to design his own discs, do you guys really think it'd be that easy? Experienced engineers struggle with R&D stuff, let alone a random Joe. Just because you can throw a disc doesn't mean you know how to design one. How come tiger or Phil never designed their own golf clubs? Same thing. Not taking anything away from Paul, but let's think this through.
