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biscoe
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In Virginia farms engaged in agritourism are well protected liability-wise for those activities. This may differ from place to place- Virginia has some of the strongest assumption of risk protections in the US in general. There are no incentives (tax breaks) per se for adding a dg course to your farm though- those exist for utilizing your land for agriculture to begin with and the bar is not high to meet the requirements. I think it is $800 farm income per year unless it has changed. Firewood for example is an agricultural product which many dg courses generate in their installation and maintenance- sell off a few loads and bam you are a farm.
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How would you bring the ratings into consideration?
Tie-breaker for people who are tied in courses played? (Average Rating)*(Courses Played)? Average rating of courses played with some minimum number of courses played? Just curious how it could be done, separate from the why.
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After Thumbing so many of your South Dakota and West Minnesota Reviews of way out the way small Town Courses... I'm Glad to see you playing Quality
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Well the simplest way would be to just count the rating of the course when you play it...so a person is rewarded for the higher rated courses that typically take longer to play.
If this site did not exist/or if no one else ever knew what I played, I would still play as much as I do. For me, bagging is experiencing new areas, new types of holes, new settings, meeting people, and maybe finding some new favorites out there (which I did this weekend). Having just played 100 recently, obviously I will never be in any top X baggers list. That's OK. I will enjoy DG as long as my body will let me, even if I never play another new course, cause my bagging habit has led me to so many favorites out there already. For instance--playing Idlewild next MO. Hope to beat my personal best of +18. (Yeah, I know--that's why I want to beat it!). I will pass by 40 courses I have not played yet. It's all good...
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Respectfully, I just don't see the connection between bagging and ratings - or, I just don't see the value in connecting the two.
* But I'm a bagger - so maybe I have a blind spot here!
A buddy who's also a bagger told me the other day that he's trying to get his "average course rating above 3.0" (sidebar: we were driving home at about 10:00pm on a day that started at 5:45, driving 2.5 hours to reach the first of 8 courses we played, for 111 total holes. Yeah - we're baggers).
He made the case that by playing more quality courses, his overall average rating would rise. OK, I get the math. But as others have pointed out here, there's a lot of joy that comes from bagging independent of how good each course is. Playing excellent courses is terrific - but we still laugh and tell stories about some of the junkiest, most broken courses we've played.
While I understand that you CAN link the two variables, I honestly don't see the value that creates.
* But again - I'm a bagger.
* But I'm a bagger - so maybe I have a blind spot here!
A buddy who's also a bagger told me the other day that he's trying to get his "average course rating above 3.0" (sidebar: we were driving home at about 10:00pm on a day that started at 5:45, driving 2.5 hours to reach the first of 8 courses we played, for 111 total holes. Yeah - we're baggers).
He made the case that by playing more quality courses, his overall average rating would rise. OK, I get the math. But as others have pointed out here, there's a lot of joy that comes from bagging independent of how good each course is. Playing excellent courses is terrific - but we still laugh and tell stories about some of the junkiest, most broken courses we've played.
While I understand that you CAN link the two variables, I honestly don't see the value that creates.
* But again - I'm a bagger.
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We will never get away from the current system of counting, but why not add another layer which values quality?
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So, to finish up-average rating X # courses played=RP
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I only travel to play great courses. I only play the other ones if I have extra time and it makes logistical sense. However, the majority of the courses that I have ever played, I wouldn't care to ever play again. But, on the other hand, there are only a handful that I wish I would have just skipped the first time-- and normally that is only due to lack of maintenance, not the design. As someone else said, someone put in some amount of effort to install and (hopefully) maintain every course, regardless of the caliber. It's somewhat a type of respect and appreciation to play it if possible. Also, it isn't just about the course. It's fun to see some random park or school or whatever once in your life that you would not otherwise see. There is always nature, people, structures, etc. that you experience in the midst of playing disc golf. Not to mention, just driving from course to course allows you to see a lot of society that you would not otherwise see. Personally, I prefer that to museums or theme parks or whatever other people do while traveling.
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Traveling as much as I used to for work allowed me to play many courses I wouldn't have likely played. Call it a proximity thing, if you will. Roles have changed at work, so I don't travel as much. So now when I take vacation, I have a destination in mind, recently it was Phoenix. Then try to hit as many courses as time will allow, ones that are close to the highway, not terribly long (so usually 9 holes). My courses played count, though, is 290 here in DG Review, but over 300 on U-disc. There are courses not in u-Disc & vice versa, but it's still weird that the numbers are so far apart. Really need to take the time to reconcile that. My goal is to try to catch up to Bogey No More.
Pardon me, does anyone have any Grey Poupon?
Seriously though, if you want to count a 4.0 rated course the same as two courses that rate 2.0, knock yourself out, but at the end of the day, it basically sounds like you just want to only play the better courses wherever you are. That probably describes most people who play disc golf when they travel. I like to play courses when I go some place, but I'll tend to avoid the courses that are shoe-horned where they don't belong. I'll play better courses multiple times before I go out of my way to play that 9 hole course that's another 20 miles down the road around a multi-use sports complex.
I'm not really a bagger. But I do like playing new courses.
Seriously though, if you want to count a 4.0 rated course the same as two courses that rate 2.0, knock yourself out, but at the end of the day, it basically sounds like you just want to only play the better courses wherever you are. That probably describes most people who play disc golf when they travel. I like to play courses when I go some place, but I'll tend to avoid the courses that are shoe-horned where they don't belong. I'll play better courses multiple times before I go out of my way to play that 9 hole course that's another 20 miles down the road around a multi-use sports complex.
I'm not really a bagger. But I do like playing new courses.
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When I'm traveling, I'll always try to find a way to play the best courses in the area.
There are a few reasons why I'll hit up routine, park-style niners though:
-Breaking up a long drive - Between having young kids and a sore back, I'm not up for the marathon drives anymore. There's something to be said for a course that is long enough to stretch your legs (and back), but short enough that you can get through it in 30 minutes as a group of four. *Bonus points if within one mile of the interstate*
-Better for shorter throwers - My kids have fun playing long challenging courses; for about 14 holes. Then they start getting worn out and thinking about the next meal. Niners are more their speed.
-New holes - I love teeing off on an interesting hole for the first time. So many possibilities, so many ways to screw up. Even a crappy niner usually has one or two legitimately fun holes. I've played many otherwise lousy courses that had one or two really fun holes that almost redeemed the tire fire that was the rest of the course.
-Completeness - I cleared the entire Chicago area years ago*, but new courses keep popping up. Some have been really good 18 hole courses and some have been crappy niners. Either way, when I use the exclude already played feature and see something pop up within 25 miles of home, I'm going to play it regardless of quality. I like that map to be as clear as possible.
*There are a couple private courses in the area that you can't play without trespassing. One of those is a national laboratory campus with tall fences and very serious looking guards. These two are the only blemishes on an otherwise complete domination** of the area courses by yours truly.
**In my case, domination consists of attacking all available trees.
There are a few reasons why I'll hit up routine, park-style niners though:
-Breaking up a long drive - Between having young kids and a sore back, I'm not up for the marathon drives anymore. There's something to be said for a course that is long enough to stretch your legs (and back), but short enough that you can get through it in 30 minutes as a group of four. *Bonus points if within one mile of the interstate*
-Better for shorter throwers - My kids have fun playing long challenging courses; for about 14 holes. Then they start getting worn out and thinking about the next meal. Niners are more their speed.
-New holes - I love teeing off on an interesting hole for the first time. So many possibilities, so many ways to screw up. Even a crappy niner usually has one or two legitimately fun holes. I've played many otherwise lousy courses that had one or two really fun holes that almost redeemed the tire fire that was the rest of the course.
-Completeness - I cleared the entire Chicago area years ago*, but new courses keep popping up. Some have been really good 18 hole courses and some have been crappy niners. Either way, when I use the exclude already played feature and see something pop up within 25 miles of home, I'm going to play it regardless of quality. I like that map to be as clear as possible.
*There are a couple private courses in the area that you can't play without trespassing. One of those is a national laboratory campus with tall fences and very serious looking guards. These two are the only blemishes on an otherwise complete domination** of the area courses by yours truly.
**In my case, domination consists of attacking all available trees.
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There should actually be some kind of award you earn on here for accomplishing this feat. It's actually damn near impossible to do. Bagging all the Chicagoland courses is probably more impressive than bagging ALL the courses in a handful of states. No joke.
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If you do the math for me I'm in
In all seriousness, that seems like it would be a lot of work. Unless I'm missing something somewhere where it tells you how many courses you've played by their average (rounded up or down to the nearest half).
Another thing would be, as an example. I played a church course today that had 1 review. I believe it was a 3.5. That's a pretty highly rated course actually. Very good.
If I reviewed it, and I might, I'd give it a 1. That's even a bit generous. So by that standard, some could influence their own ratings by overrating certain less reviewed courses. Not that anyone would, but you never know.
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well I checked my hole number totals. 7,522 unique holes.
thus 7,522/513 equals 14.66 holes per course.
I wonder what this average is for the 1000 plus crew?
perhaps their diamond basket medal should change to this if their average is under 15.0 I know I'll be gunning for it.
thus 7,522/513 equals 14.66 holes per course.
I wonder what this average is for the 1000 plus crew?
perhaps their diamond basket medal should change to this if their average is under 15.0 I know I'll be gunning for it.
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I don't see much value in a ratings-adjusted total, either to the player, or anyone else. Just a curious statistic.
I don't see course baggers competing against each other for some sort of award or recognition -- not since the original race to 1,000, anyway. Their totals seem to be mostly personal and individual.
I don't see course baggers competing against each other for some sort of award or recognition -- not since the original race to 1,000, anyway. Their totals seem to be mostly personal and individual.
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Guess I'm glad I'm on anyone's on radar.
Rhode Island quickly comes to mind.
Probs Delaware, too.
*plans Chicagoland niner expedition to just to bump his bagger street cred*
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