wims
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Too stiff to meet the standards? What does that even mean? Are there rules regulating how stiff a disc can be, and if so, why?
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Too stiff to meet the standards? What does that even mean? Are there rules regulating how stiff a disc can be, and if so, why?
Too stiff to meet the standards? What does that even mean? Are there rules regulating how stiff a disc can be, and if so, why?
I heard a mention of a little bit of drama with the g9i plastic- forgot where I saw it- can anyone elaborate on that?
minimal flexibility std, for safety reasons, see pdga
Hmm. I think a rock hard putter would still do less damage to a person than a slightly flexible speed 13 driver.
Wasn't there an innova conspiracy theory involved with this?
So do I, and also consider wing sharpness...that can carve right through the jugular at high speed. But...
Actually the discs Gateway really threw a fit about were the Champ Firebirds that were out as the same time as the G9i Wizards. They couldn't pass a flex test, either. Again, no idea if the PDGA said anything to Innova about those or not.The "PDGA is pro innova"conspiracy goes as such (i have no opinion on its validity)
KC pro has been made just has hard (specifically 11x era) by innova. Why is it that gateway was asked to stop making plastic that stiff when innova had been doing it?
The counter argument to the conspiracy is that innova did soften up 11x era kc pro, and has made it softer ever since. So it isn't that unlikely that they were asked to stop making kc that stiff, it just wasn't publicly disseminated.
Actually the discs Gateway really threw a fit about were the Champ Firebirds that were out as the same time as the G9i Wizards. They couldn't pass a flex test, either. Again, no idea if the PDGA said anything to Innova about those or not.
I really didn't care so much about the G9i's, but I really miss medium Wizards. I've had to switch to the soft Wizards, which...it might be me but when a soft is new it's fine in terms of being firm, but they beat in and get softer. I hate soft putters. I really can't beat up a Wizard anymore. Hopefully the beat up mediums I have will last me.
Fossil is pretty stiff. Guessing it won't taco if you shank one into a tree at 30ft.
That would have been a pretty empty ban since it would have been impossible to enforce. I think they did the most reasonable thing by just getting them out of the market and not worrying about the ones that are out there. They can't test every disc, and the flex test I'm sure is the most often flunked PDGA technical standard. There are millions of golf discs over the last 30 years that have been sold with "PDGA approved" on them that would have flunked the flex test. A couple hundred Wizards? No sweat.Supposedly Gateway sent G9is to the IDGC to stock on shelves, and they fondled them, found they were really firm (they are, and they're glorious), and decided to test them. Apparently Innova didn't send any of those offending Firebirds to the IDGC so the PDGA can plead ignorance.
What really is troublesome is that if they were really that stiff, the PDGA didn't make them illegal for competition despite the fact that they didn't pass the established standards.
Ouch guys, reopening old wounds here.
Fossil is a perfect putter plastic. I have Scales in that plastic and I'm sure Fossil Wizards are great. I'd have to order those, though. You don't see them around. You can't kick a dead cat without finding a soft Wizard under it in this area so I have tons of them. They are OK, I can make due. Kinda hard to get a really cheap guy like me to special order something online when you have an OK alternative laying around.If you want more stiff wizards, go to RDG and get some fossil or fossil fuel ones. They're amazing...
I think it was 2014 sometime. They have not run the G9i's in a while, but you can still get them.When did all this happen? I just bought my first g9i wizard last week