[Discmania] Dismania PD2

[Kodachrome]

I also bag both G-Star and S-line PD2's for distance drivers, and now pair them with Shrykes (replaced DDX). I use the Shrykes for calm or tailwind distance, as well as turnovers. My G-Star PD2 has become my workhorse distance driver, much more workable than any S or C-line PD2 I've thrown. I can get near max distance with the G-Star, and it holds up well into light to medium winds. I absolutely love my G-PD2's.

My problem lies when the wind picks up to levels that start to turnover my G-Star PD2. My S-line is still too overstable even in those winds for "max" distance, so I've been struggling trying to find a disc for those situations. I'm not a "big" arm thrower, as I can only get out to 425', which is probably why the S-line PD2 doesn't work for me as a true distance driver.

Should I try out a P-PD2? I've never thrown one so I wasn't sure. I'd prefer to not add another mold to my bag, which is why I haven't added any of my Destroyers back in. The one good thing with Destroyers was they varied so much disc to disc that you could have one in every stability you'd need. But I hated always worrying losing my "worked" in ones since they took so long to get into their sweet spot for me.

It's a tough spot to be in. I'm in a similarish one, throwing just a few feet farther than you. The thing about ppd2 is that they vary widely. I can throw ppd2 for my headwind beater as well as max d. A normal ppd2 starts off just as os as an spd2. They are beefy. But you can find ppd2 that fly like nukes or anywhere in between. You could easily replace your shryke and spd2 with ppd2, but...

There's no good answer to that weird in-between phase, unfortunately. The normal ppd2 beat into that spot and so do spd2 but the gpd2 starts there right away and beats out of it quickly. You would need to hunt down very specific ppd2 to fit that slot, because mostly they come in beefcake or max distance varieties.

I personally chose to artificially accelerate the wear on my ppd2 (without going too far overboard) and have been happy with the results. Very soon my spd2 will be there as well.

 

[racer93]

Yup, what koda said. Might try a brand new star destroyer, as they're similarish to a new G*PD2. Otherwise, I use my new G*PD2 for wind.

As a second thought, you might try and work on your form. More spin = more stability (less Flip McFlipster) in windy conditions. It's also the key to being able to throw very overstable discs a long way and keeping them straight without a hard fade. Eagle and Simon are two great examples of this. They have mad spin on their throws and it shows.

 

[racer93]

Just curious Strauss, why don't you like the DDx? With the C-line, I can get serious (well over 500') of usable golf D. It turns quite a bit but if you anticipate it, they can work pretty well.

 

[Strauss]

Just curious Strauss, why don't you like the DDx? With the C-line, I can get serious (well over 500') of usable golf D. It turns quite a bit but if you anticipate it, they can work pretty well.

Boy I wish I could throw over 500' :thmbup: If I really get a hold of one and hit the perfect line on flat ground, I can hit 450' max. But I've got a couple holes on my local courses that an extra 50' of distance would put me inside the circle. I figure if I could reach out to 500' of max distance, that I would throw 450' with greater control. Those tough holes for me are right at, or just over 450'. The few times I've had drives get pin high, I've been too far off line to make the putt :thmbdown:

It's not that I didn't like the DDX, it was just the role I was bagging it for. Every DDX I own still had a healthy dump fade at the end of it's flight. That worked well for distance shots, as I knew when I got them turned over that they would fight back at the very end. But I like having a distance driver in the bag that will hold it's turnover into the ground for a few holes that need that shot.

I actually JUST took the DDX out of my bag not even 2 weeks ago. I got my first batch of Shryke's and after field testing found I was getting the Shryke farther than the DDX every time. The Shryke was more forgiving, getting more distance more often. If I hit the perfect line with the DDX it would be very close, but on average the Shryke won out. It was most apparent on shots that I didn't get as big of a flex on, the Shryke would always go farther. Also there is a larger difference in stability across the 3 plastic choices in the Shryke compared to my DDX's, so I like having the different options that gives me.

The Champ Shryke I have is very close stability wise to the C-line DDX I was bagging. Both discs when thrown hard in zero wind have only a slight bit of high speed turn, but the Shryke out distances the DDX every time on that shot(my C-line DDX seems abnormally stable). And the G* Shryke was very understable out of the box, more so than my seasoned S-line DDX I was bagging. That disc absolutely BOMBS in tailwinds, and will give me that turnover distance line that never comes back.

But to get back to my original issue, I think I will either pick up a couple P-line PD2's to try out, or work on accelerating the wear on one of my S-PD2's. I'll probably try tuning out some stability on an S-PD2 first and see how that works out.

Thanks for the advice fellas!

 

[ILUVSMGS18]

Boy I wish I could throw over 500' :thmbup: If I really get a hold of one and hit the perfect line on flat ground, I can hit 450' max. But I've got a couple holes on my local courses that an extra 50' of distance would put me inside the circle. I figure if I could reach out to 500' of max distance, that I would throw 450' with greater control. Those tough holes for me are right at, or just over 450'. The few times I've had drives get pin high, I've been too far off line to make the putt :thmbdown:

It's not that I didn't like the DDX, it was just the role I was bagging it for. Every DDX I own still had a healthy dump fade at the end of it's flight. That worked well for distance shots, as I knew when I got them turned over that they would fight back at the very end. But I like having a distance driver in the bag that will hold it's turnover into the ground for a few holes that need that shot.

I actually JUST took the DDX out of my bag not even 2 weeks ago. I got my first batch of Shryke's and after field testing found I was getting the Shryke farther than the DDX every time. The Shryke was more forgiving, getting more distance more often. If I hit the perfect line with the DDX it would be very close, but on average the Shryke won out. It was most apparent on shots that I didn't get as big of a flex on, the Shryke would always go farther. Also there is a larger difference in stability across the 3 plastic choices in the Shryke compared to my DDX's, so I like having the different options that gives me.

The Champ Shryke I have is very close stability wise to the C-line DDX I was bagging. Both discs when thrown hard in zero wind have only a slight bit of high speed turn, but the Shryke out distances the DDX every time on that shot(my C-line DDX seems abnormally stable). And the G* Shryke was very understable out of the box, more so than my seasoned S-line DDX I was bagging. That disc absolutely BOMBS in tailwinds, and will give me that turnover distance line that never comes back.

But to get back to my original issue, I think I will either pick up a couple P-line PD2's to try out, or work on accelerating the wear on one of my S-PD2's. I'll probably try tuning out some stability on an S-PD2 first and see how that works out.

Thanks for the advice fellas!

Is your Chaos S-PD2 too understable for the in between shot? I'm assuming that you mean 11 and 17 Blue which is where a little bit of extra distance (even 25') can definitely be helpful.

 

[tylerc]

Boy I wish I could throw over 500' :thmbup: If I really get a hold of one and hit the perfect line on flat ground, I can hit 450' max. But I've got a couple holes on my local courses that an extra 50' of distance would put me inside the circle. I figure if I could reach out to 500' of max distance, that I would throw 450' with greater control. Those tough holes for me are right at, or just over 450'. The few times I've had drives get pin high, I've been too far off line to make the putt :thmbdown:

It's not that I didn't like the DDX, it was just the role I was bagging it for. Every DDX I own still had a healthy dump fade at the end of it's flight. That worked well for distance shots, as I knew when I got them turned over that they would fight back at the very end. But I like having a distance driver in the bag that will hold it's turnover into the ground for a few holes that need that shot.

I actually JUST took the DDX out of my bag not even 2 weeks ago. I got my first batch of Shryke's and after field testing found I was getting the Shryke farther than the DDX every time. The Shryke was more forgiving, getting more distance more often. If I hit the perfect line with the DDX it would be very close, but on average the Shryke won out. It was most apparent on shots that I didn't get as big of a flex on, the Shryke would always go farther. Also there is a larger difference in stability across the 3 plastic choices in the Shryke compared to my DDX's, so I like having the different options that gives me.

The Champ Shryke I have is very close stability wise to the C-line DDX I was bagging. Both discs when thrown hard in zero wind have only a slight bit of high speed turn, but the Shryke out distances the DDX every time on that shot(my C-line DDX seems abnormally stable). And the G* Shryke was very understable out of the box, more so than my seasoned S-line DDX I was bagging. That disc absolutely BOMBS in tailwinds, and will give me that turnover distance line that never comes back.

But to get back to my original issue, I think I will either pick up a couple P-line PD2's to try out, or work on accelerating the wear on one of my S-PD2's. I'll probably try tuning out some stability on an S-PD2 first and see how that works out.

Thanks for the advice fellas!

If you can find one of the flat soft s-line pd2s those fly close to what u want. Or color glows.

 

[racer93]

Strauss, that comment is very interesting to me. My C DDXs are VERY understable mid-flight (ie/ a DEEP turn) and then come back REALLY hard at the end. I've never thrown a disc like them before with that much HST and LSS.

I'm going to have to test out a shryke. Sounds interesting. (Another excuse to buy more plastic! Yay!)

 

[Strauss]

Strauss, that comment is very interesting to me. My C DDXs are VERY understable mid-flight (ie/ a DEEP turn) and then come back REALLY hard at the end. I've never thrown a disc like them before with that much HST and LSS.

I'm going to have to test out a shryke. Sounds interesting. (Another excuse to buy more plastic! Yay!)

I agree with the strange DDX flight. I also have never thrown a disc like it with similar HSS and LSS. Just a very odd combo of low HSS, with strong LSS. I've thrown discs that "flip" as much, but not one that fades as hard as the DDX when it slows down. It's actually a very unique combo.

I think you may like a heavier weight Champ Shryke, at least worth a shot. If your results are anything like mine, you should see another 20-30ft of distance compared to your DDX.

 

[Strauss]

Is your Chaos S-PD2 too understable for the in between shot? I'm assuming that you mean 11 and 17 Blue which is where a little bit of extra distance (even 25') can definitely be helpful.

Yes my old S-line PD2 is too understable, it actually is less stable than either of my G-PD2's. It's the only understable S-line PD2 I've thrown. Every other S-PD2 have been total meathooks, just complete BEEF.

And I yes I need more distance for 17 blue, but 11 blue is too far out of my range. There are also some holes over at Smuggs that would benefit from me having some more distance.

Obviously it would be awesome to crush out to 600' or more, but honestly I would be perfectly satisfied with having a reliable 500' of power.

 

[slowplastic]

Strauss, how is the fade on star and champ Shrykes for you? I've only tried a Gstar and it was flippy. Are the star/champ fade way more mellow than DDX's? I haven't liked the DDX because of the rim and super dumpy fade...but I haven't thrown one that is beat enough to show the deep turn that would give it the good carry (I'm at fairly high altitude).

 

[Strauss]

Strauss, how is the fade on star and champ Shrykes for you? I've only tried a Gstar and it was flippy. Are the star/champ fade way more mellow than DDX's? I haven't liked the DDX because of the rim and super dumpy fade...but I haven't thrown one that is beat enough to show the deep turn that would give it the good carry (I'm at fairly high altitude).

The dumpy fade was what made me switch to the Shryke, well that and the added distance I'm getting with them. The G* Shryke I have is WAAAAY more understable than my max weight Star and 172g Champ. The Star and Champ still fade predictably, but not nearly as "hard" as the DDX. In other words, the DDX has more of a "dump" fade, while the Shryke pushes forward more during it's fade.

Sounds like the Shryke in Star and or Champ may work for you.

 

[slowplastic]

Cool, star may be it then. I like a sweeping fade, and the Shrykes feel good for being fast. I'll have to hope someone has one to try out soon. It's tricky picking high speed/max distance discs at altitude since the fade can happen sooner than you want (or what other people experience). Good to know the Gstars are much more understable, as the one I threw was less stable than a Vulcan.

 

[racer93]

Picked a Shryke up today. I'm a bit dubious, as I took my Bosses (speed 13 discs) out of my bag for being too unpredictable. I'll give it some field work soon and report back with a direct comparison between it (star Shryke) and an S and C line DDXs.

 

[elmexdela]

I found a domey star pd2 today and gave it a few tosses. Wow I felt noodley. For reference I dont throw anything over speed 9. These things were stupid OS. They barely even fly.

 

[Strauss]

Picked a Shryke up today. I'm a bit dubious, as I took my Bosses (speed 13 discs) out of my bag for being too unpredictable. I'll give it some field work soon and report back with a direct comparison between it (star Shryke) and an S and C line DDXs.

Just thought I should add that I threw my Star Shryke in the drink last weekend (overthrew the basket and went LONG) and just got it's replacement. It flies MUCH different than my first one being much more understable. It's the same color and weight, but is not nearly as stable. My first Star that I lost flew nearly identical to my Champ, but my new one has much less HSS.

I've got a couple more Stars on the way, so I'll soon find out if my first one was a freak or if they are just all over the place stability wise.

 

[bogeyfreetilinfinity]

first run?

what's the run with the three crowns european masters stamp??? It has tiny bubbles in the rim. Any Pd2 afficianados out there know of these? I just picked up a used one. that's ugly but in excellent throwing shape.

 

[Vonbeezy1]

Do all the pd2s fly just as overstable in different plastics? Or would a p line pd2 fly like a destroyer? Or would a p line pd2 fly like a beat destroyer? mmmmmmmm that would be great

 

[racer93]

G line pd2s are tasty, especially when the flashing is removed...

 

[Vonbeezy1]

G line pd2s are tasty, especially when the flashing is removed...

What would you compare a g line to?

 

[tylerc]

Do all the pd2s fly just as overstable in different plastics? Or would a p line pd2 fly like a destroyer? Or would a p line pd2 fly like a beat destroyer? mmmmmmmm that would be great

I just carry my 8 spd2 and they are all really beat up and cover roller to beef. anything is possible with time.. lol

p line are flippy normally unless you get white. color glow are less stable than a normal c-line. s-line can do anything.. c-line are normally beefy.