Memorial Broadcast

[harr0140]

I realize the horse is out of the barn on using "stroke" but I (and several other long timers in disc golf media) think it would be better if we retained our own identity by using "throw" or "shot." For example, we use hyzer and anhyzer instead of hook or slice from ball golf. I'm not sure I've ever heard someone indicate they hooked or sliced a drive. Now, "worm burner" clearly works for both sports...

I guess I see your point and it makes perfect sense. I would tend to agree with you and am sure I will make a conscious effort to use throw or shot from now on. I have always referenced the rules of golf when discussing rules of disc golf too just for comparison.


Here is one that doesnt belong in this thread but what the heck . . . why in golf would a garbage can be movable, but not in disc golf? I know it is part of the course, but is it really an intended obstacle? Your penalty should be you threw an errant "throw" (First usage), not that you happened to end up behind a garbage can. Our courses have a natural setting so why wouldn't something manmade and movable be allowed to be moved? Who is to say that because it is there right now tha it wasn't 10' away earlier in the day so someone could get a view of the green? I know the rule says that if I can prove it wasn't there the whole day it can be moved but that is near impossible to ever prove.

Maybe I will write all of these rules differences and post them in the ask chuck kennedy (oops its ask john houck, but Ill ask you both) thread, but since i had you here I thought I would ask.

I have a different term for worm burner but Ill keep that one for myself!

 

[VictorB]

big congrats to George Smith from everyone in Columbia, for winning his first Master's tournament, and in a National Tour no less!!:clap:

 

[Cgkdisc]

Here is one that doesnt belong in this thread but what the heck . . . why in golf would a garbage can be movable, but not in disc golf? I know it is part of the course, but is it really an intended obstacle?

I think it has to do with where you initiate your next shot. In BG, you swing the club at the ball on the ground and hitting something like a garbage can could not only hurt your club but the ball could ricochet and strike others nearby. In DG, your shot is or can be released above the garbage can. So obstacles that could be moved, but can't be freely moved by rule, have a different rules status in DG than BG. Best I could do on that one.

 

[harr0140]

I think it has to do with where you initiate your next shot. In BG, you swing the club at the ball on the ground and hitting something like a garbage can could not only hurt your club but the ball could ricochet and strike others nearby. In DG, your shot is or can be released above the garbage can. So obstacles that could be moved, but can't be freely moved by rule, have a different rules status in DG than BG. Best I could do on that one.

That makes some sense, but I don't think that was the intent of the PGA rule. It also doesnt factor into account the situation of a gallery grandstand. If you end up behind a grandstand (deemed a temporary manmade immovable obstruction) you are given "line of sight" relief so you can move your ball out from behind the grandstand until you can see the green and the pin and are able to execute the shot you want to. It is part of the course and it cannot be moved so they let you move the golf ball out from behind it without penalty. It makes sense to me because even though it was part of the golf course "per se" it wasn't an intended obstacle as integral to the course design.

It just seems to me that a garbage can is not an integral part of the design of a course and any given day could be in a different spot (or even during the same day it might be moved), so why shouldn't it be movable without penalty. Sure it may have been there all day and all other users may have had to play around or away from it, but I think everyone should be allowed to move it in that instance.


I have also thought there may be some differences between disc golf and golf rules because of the fact that we more typically work our shots horizontally than vertically. Angles we use occur left to right and right to left much more frequently than up and down. But the whole premise of different clubs in golf is the angle of impact of the club. You want to hit the ball up and have it land on the straight line typically (unless you are Bubba Watson who says straight lines are boring). Sometimes working a golf ball left to right and right to left is needed to get around obstacles or to take advantage of wind, but the primary angle in golf is up and down and loft of the club. In disc golf the primary angle we are discussing would be more about the shape of the shot than about the height of the shot. Just something I have thought about before . . not sure if it makes sense or really means anything, but I like to think about things like this from time to time.

Allright I am glad I wrote that out and got your response but I need to collect all of my thoughts on these rules and write them down. I am not saying disc golf needs to fall in line with golf, but I think there are some unintended consequences that don't make total sense. I know the founding fathers of disc golf had their own ideas of what the sport should be and I respect that, but as the sport moves forward . . . I think all of these idiosyncrasies should be addressed.

Back to my blog for the night. Now I will let this thread get back to the discussion about The Memorial Broadcast

 

[WillGrrr]

I donated at the $19.95 level, too. Well worth it to keep the broadcast going.

 

[chris717]

anyway to watch it again? missed most if it:|

 

[harr0140]

they said they will have it all archived at some point . . . it did take them awhile to get everything archived before though so be patient

 

[ThePatrick]

they said they will have it all archived at some point . . . it did take them awhile to get everything archived before though so be patient

We upped the output to a 512kb stream this time, and so our files each day are around the 100 gb range. It's taking a little longer to archive the footage this time, but will be well worth it when it gets there. I, like the rest of you really want to watch it as well.

On a huge sidenote, thanks to all you who watched this. Just the numbers of viewers in priceless when it comes to helping us market this and grow the broadcast each time. To all of you who donated an extra special thank you. We are all doing this because we believe it what it can become and your donations get us further down that road each time.
Thanks from a very involved person.

And your welcome Glen's brother (Graham) for being nice to me at States that year, so I made sure you got some air time. :thmbup:


As a wrap up, freaking sun spots. We can't even start to figure out how to deal with that. We do have that very exciting last hole on our master, so it will make the light of day when it's uploaded.

Thanks everyone here from DGCR who has commented. It is taken to heart. I was too busy to keep this thread with me during the week and only now that I'm back home am I getting to go through it, and thanks for the laughs and rememberances from a great week at a great tourney. See you guys online at the next one.

 

[gcr_russell]

And your welcome Glen's brother (Graham) for being nice to me at States that year, so I made sure you got some air time. :thmbup:

That is awesome! Thank you very much. Unfortunately it's a round that went poorly for me, but whenever I saw the cameras around My self destruct moments were just past.

I didn't realize you were there, until I had traveled back home on Saturday and saw you referenced in the broadcast. The tent was so close so many times, I wish I had stopped by to say hi. I can't wait to watch all of the footage.

Thanks for all the work you did this last week.

 

[ThePatrick]

That is awesome! Thank you very much. Unfortunately it's a round that went poorly for me, but whenever I saw the cameras around My self destruct moments were just past.

I didn't realize you were there, until I had traveled back home on Saturday and saw you referenced in the broadcast. The tent was so close so many times, I wish I had stopped by to say hi. I can't wait to watch all of the footage.

Thanks for all the work you did this last week.

Congrats on being an Uncle. Your brother won an MA1 c-tier this past weekend too. I was in the booth that day, and couldn't come wander over. Enjoy the large amount of points you'll get from that tourney, and hopefully we can run into each other again before too long.

 

[chrishysell]

You guys just see chrishysell?

Which bad shot did I throw?

Being a player I never got to see any of it. They had a camera set up at hole 18 at the Fountain on Saturday and I was playing to the crowd. Hopefully they got my knee putt because the crowd was pretty vocal.

 

[esdubya]

Nice coverage! Great work to the whole crew, this was a big step forward in live disc golf. Craze and Dave did a great job in the booth, for not having a lot of experience.

One thing now I realize with PGA Golf events. They have those guys (Tiger, Phil, etc) play the same course over and over because all of the TV equipment is there and it would be logistically impossible to move it from course to course.

Now echoing this line of thought to the Memorial or other events like it.. Seems that if we want to watch the Pros the whole time (and we really do, let's be honest) then you would have to work with the event director to make sure they play the same course every day. Would this be a big change to existing NTs?

 

[joesouthfla]

You used your first post on DGCR to criticize the broadcast . . . thats a tough start, I'll give you a shot to redeem yourself though.

In order for them to cover the pros on the middle day they would have had to do a whole other setup at the other course . . . that is asking for way too much at this point! It is not financially or logistically possible.

I watched the online tournament at Pine Oaks a couple of months ago and the camera guys walked right along with the players. Unless you have some sort of insider knowledge I do not believe it would have been that big of a deal to film at the other course. It definitely would have brought in more viewers and revenue. Not sure why you are calling me out on this. I'm not the one making fun of the guy in the tie. I hope disc golf TV reads this. It will only make them better.

 

[gcr_russell]

Bad satellite coverage and other logistics made it not possible at VDC

 

[joesouthfla]

Which bad shot did I throw?

Being a player I never got to see any of it. They had a camera set up at hole 18 at the Fountain on Saturday and I was playing to the crowd. Hopefully they got my knee putt because the crowd was pretty vocal.

Very cool!
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

 

[Harrishabitat]

I watched the online tournament at Pine Oaks a couple of months ago and the camera guys walked right along with the players. Unless you have some sort of insider knowledge I do not believe it would have been that big of a deal to film at the other course. It definitely would have brought in more viewers and revenue. Not sure why you are calling me out on this. I'm not the one making fun of the guy in the tie. I hope disc golf TV reads this. It will only make them better.

As a part of the Memorial Committee there is so much more that goes into the coverage of this event then a guy following with a camera. They were out there almost a week early setting up and running lines for the web broadcast. They would have to have two completely separate trucks and dishes to broadcast from both courses. Plus there would have to be approval from the city of Scottsdale to set up and broadcast from there which would have required permits and other fees.

At least be thankful that we changed the schedule to allow the final round for the pro's this year to be at Fountain Hills so you could watch it unlike every other year.

 

[joesouthfla]

As a part of the Memorial Committee there is so much more that goes into the coverage of this event then a guy following with a camera. They were out there almost a week early setting up and running lines for the web broadcast. They would have to have two completely separate trucks and dishes to broadcast from both courses. Plus there would have to be approval from the city of Scottsdale to set up and broadcast from there which would have required permits and other fees.

At least be thankful that we changed the schedule to allow the final round for the pro's this year to be at Fountain Hills so you could watch it unlike every other year.

I Thought the coverage was great, it was disappointing not to see the pros all 3 days but in no way did I mean to insult any of the people involved by my original comments. Thanks for the clarification on why day 2 was not filmed at the other course. I paid the $5 bucks and will gladly watch and pay for it in the future.

 

[Harrishabitat]

I Thought the coverage was great, it was disappointing not to see the pros all 3 days but in no way did I mean to insult any of the people involved by my original comments. Thanks for the clarification on why day 2 was not filmed at the other course. I paid the $5 bucks and will gladly watch and pay for it in the future.

No offense taken

Just passing along the info that it was technologically infeasible to move the entire broadcast set up

 

[harr0140]

I watched the online tournament at Pine Oaks a couple of months ago and the camera guys walked right along with the players. Unless you have some sort of insider knowledge I do not believe it would have been that big of a deal to film at the other course. It definitely would have brought in more viewers and revenue. Not sure why you are calling me out on this. I'm not the one making fun of the guy in the tie. I hope disc golf TV reads this. It will only make them better.

The reason I called you out is because you made your first post on DGCR a negative post . . . and I am so used to hearing people complain about this and complain about things with no possible thought abotu why something may be the way it is. I simply put cannot tolerate the negative people in the world anymore, and it seems that disc golf really brings out the naysayers for whatever reason!

Perhaps you didnt deserve a calling out, I apologize,but I was not being super harsh or anything, my response was simply meant for you to think about and maybe figure out why it would be near impossible to have all three days be the pros. They did adapt it from the last year where the final day was ams, that was a big mistake in the past that they corrected for this one.

I am also good friends with one of the people directly involved with discgolfplanet.tv and I know the time and effort put into this sort of thing on their end only to be continuously criticized by all the people watching the "free" online broadcast. I simply defend them whenever I have a legitimate reason to, and it unfortunately is usually coming from people that do not understand the bigger picture of it all, they only see what they see and think that is is subpar.

BTW I have moved on and will not hold the post against you, and thank you for donating and supporting the cause!

Mike

 

[Star Shark]

Nice coverage! Great work to the whole crew, this was a big step forward in live disc golf. Craze and Dave did a great job in the booth, for not having a lot of experience.

One thing now I realize with PGA Golf events. They have those guys (Tiger, Phil, etc) play the same course over and over because all of the TV equipment is there and it would be logistically impossible to move it from course to course.

Now echoing this line of thought to the Memorial or other events like it.. Seems that if we want to watch the Pros the whole time (and we really do, let's be honest) then you would have to work with the event director to make sure they play the same course every day. Would this be a big change to existing NTs?

There are a couple of PGA tournaments which are multiple course events. I recall one at Torrey Pines, iirc where they played the North and South Courses.