Brodie Smith PDGA #128378

[Three Putt]

Yea, I think because everything that I have seen about the biggest purse yet has been quickly overtaken by people who feel like the FPO field is getting screwed out of money.

People bitching that the Women didn't get enough, bitching that the money overall is not enough, bitching that they are paying too deep into the field, bitching that first place doesn't get as high a % of the total purse that a PGA winner gets...lot's of bitching about the biggest total purse in disc golf history not being good enough.

But that's predictable. If you are new to the sport (which obviously a bunch of people are) you have no institutional memory of past World's purses. You come in and expect disc golf to be big time and get freaked out when confronted with the fact that $133,000 is big time for us.

 

[txmxer]

People bitching that the Women didn't get enough, bitching that the money overall is not enough, bitching that they are paying too deep into the field, bitching that first place doesn't get as high a % of the total purse that a PGA winner gets...lot's of bitching about the biggest total purse in disc golf history not being good enough.

But that's predictable. If you are new to the sport (which obviously a bunch of people are) you have no institutional memory of past World's purses. You come in and expect disc golf to be big time and get freaked out when confronted with the fact that $133,000 is big time for us.

The event is run by volunteers. That answers any questions about big time or not.

 

[Dcinmd]

Or at the very least, own up to their mistake. That guy contradicted himself by saying the PDGA was told no when they asked about the driving range but then goes on to say if Brodie brought it to their attention they would've handled it.

No that is NOT what Justin said. He stated the local TD/Club which is hosting the event, approach the owner.

NOT the PDGA.

Two separate entities.

Host

Team Utah Open has been actively promoting disc golf since 2014. The Utah Open was on the Disc Golf Pro Tour in 2017 & 2018. Team Utah Open is made up of avid disc golfers, business owners, members of the Weber County Parks and Recreation Department and the Convention and Visitors Bureau. We look forward to working together to make this a phenomenal Professional World Championships event for your enjoyment.

https://www.pdga.com/2021proworlds

 

[txmxer]

No that is NOT what Justin said. He stated the local TD/Club which is hosting the event, approach the owner.

NOT the PDGA.

Two separate entities.



https://www.pdga.com/2021proworlds

You are correct. Now they need to get their stories straight.

The PDGA was working on a solution with the golf course when Brodie did what he did. The PDGA was already working on reserving the remaining part but then you saw what happened.

 

[biscoe]

Yea, I think because everything that I have seen about the biggest purse yet has been quickly overtaken by people who feel like the FPO field is getting screwed out of money.

...when they got back a slightly HIGHER percentage of entry fees than MPO did...

 

[davetherocketguy]

Pros bitching about payouts is a universal constant

 

[brutalbrutus]

Back2back 1030s have him in the mid50s and well inside the cutline. Nice comeback considering he was at one point in the mid130s after a triple on #12 rd2...

 

[txmxer]

Pros bitching about payouts is a universal constant

All sports. All levels. People bitch.

 

[rhatton1]

People bitching that the Women didn't get enough, bitching that the money overall is not enough, bitching that they are paying too deep into the field, bitching that first place doesn't get as high a % of the total purse that a PGA winner gets...lot's of bitching about the biggest total purse in disc golf history not being good enough.

But that's predictable. If you are new to the sport (which obviously a bunch of people are) you have no institutional memory of past World's purses. You come in and expect disc golf to be big time and get freaked out when confronted with the fact that $133,000 is big time for us.

There's less bitching from the top pros about payouts these days (still there further down the chain) With payouts becoming the chump change alongside the endorsements/sponsorships to the top 10% of the field I wonder if top tournaments could find a balance where less emphasis is on the payout and more focus on the quality. Maybe even getting to the stage where payouts only come from outside the event sponsorship rather than players entry fees and these are pumped into producing the best events.

Paige, Brodie etc want to see the quality of events improve, it takes cash to do it, will they help be the change they want to see and stop Pro payouts being a glorified bet against your other competitors and something provided by a sponsor who sees the value of them competing?

 

[Three Putt]

There's less bitching from the top pros about payouts these days (still there further down the chain) With payouts becoming the chump change alongside the endorsements/sponsorships to the top 10% of the field I wonder if top tournaments could find a balance where less emphasis is on the payout and more focus on the quality. Maybe even getting to the stage where payouts only come from outside the event sponsorship rather than players entry fees and these are pumped into producing the best events.

Paige, Brodie etc want to see the quality of events improve, it takes cash to do it, will they help be the change they want to see and stop Pro payouts being a glorified bet against your other competitors and something provided by a sponsor who sees the value of them competing?

To be clear, I have no idea what the players at the event are saying about the payout. What I was mentioning was online comments from people who certainly are not top Open players. What the consensus among the players at the event are about the payout is unknown to me so anything I have said should have that context.

 

[Three Putt]

Also it looks like $40,000 was added so the purse is $173,000 now, which pushes it over the $150,000 guarantee the DGPT has for...some event later in the year that I'm not paying enough attention to the DGPT to know off the top of my head.

$173,000 - Largest pro purse ever.
Over $100,000 added cash.
There is a new record.
Yesterday's news of the largest Pro Worlds payout is yesterday's news; the record was quickly exceeded. The host team has stepped up to add $40,000 on top of the player purse with funds finalized during Worlds Week. We'd like to give a huge thank you to the tournament host team for their total efforts this week, including this great contribution to a record payout.

https://www.pdga.com/apps/tournamen...X2x5iUOeCkOfpOGWURC9FMgb-Dmzs4vhz1lpt_BqMjmUE

So is THIS enough to stop the online experts from bitching? Probably not. :|

 

[ru4por]

There's less bitching from the top pros about payouts these days (still there further down the chain) With payouts becoming the chump change alongside the endorsements/sponsorships to the top 10% of the field I wonder if top tournaments could find a balance where less emphasis is on the payout and more focus on the quality. Maybe even getting to the stage where payouts only come from outside the event sponsorship rather than players entry fees and these are pumped into producing the best events.

Paige, Brodie etc want to see the quality of events improve, it takes cash to do it, will they help be the change they want to see and stop Pro payouts being a glorified bet against your other competitors and something provided by a sponsor who sees the value of them competing?

I don't really agree. I think the model is outdated and broken. The issue in most places becomes the quality and quantity of resources. Throwing money at those problems does not work very often. To expect volunteers to continue donating time and money to people making more than that are, is unrealistic, IMO.

The new Professional Disc Golf Player Association (PDGPA) should hire and train a tournament staff. This staff would travel in conjunction with the combined PDGPA press corp. This combo event staff and media crew would be tasked with getting into each town and setting up the tournament. The players would have a board that would make decisions and players could spend some of their own time making the tour the best it can be.

The PDGA can then focus on making the game great for the other 99.8% of disc golfers worldwide.

 

[crabapillar]

He doesn't need a disc golf career? The ultimate thing is long past; he gave up golf because he would never be relevant; now this is his latest attempt at generating income. He's in his 30's, what else would he be doing that would generate income? What sponsorships would he have without disc golf? If he didn't need disc golf why go down the path? If he was so big to start with, why would be need to ride the coattails of mcbeth to get into the game? Would anyone even know he's playing disc golf if he wasn't attached to mcbeth? Would he be part of foundation disc golf is he wasn't associated with mcbeth? He's putting forth an awful lot of effort and money for something he doesn't need. If he's simply doing this because he needs something to do, why does he need constant attention?

 

[brutalbrutus]

He made lead card for the second round at Clash at the Canyons. -11 1059 which is his highest rating iirc.

 

[brutalbrutus]

The law of averages won the day...lol

 

[brutalbrutus]

Better today but pretty much dead smack inbetween his first and 2nd round ratings, lol...

 

[njgrosser]

He doesn't need a disc golf career? The ultimate thing is long past; he gave up golf because he would never be relevant; now this is his latest attempt at generating income. He's in his 30's, what else would he be doing that would generate income? What sponsorships would he have without disc golf? If he didn't need disc golf why go down the path? If he was so big to start with, why would be need to ride the coattails of mcbeth to get into the game? Would anyone even know he's playing disc golf if he wasn't attached to mcbeth? Would he be part of foundation disc golf is he wasn't associated with mcbeth? He's putting forth an awful lot of effort and money for something he doesn't need. If he's simply doing this because he needs something to do, why does he need constant attention?

I think it was a two-way street in that regard. McBeth had plenty of fame within the disc golf community, but this was the easiest way for him to expand his reach to all the Brodie Ponies (Bronies? lol) who were getting into the game. Since Brodie didn't have any signature discs at the time, those new players would be attracted to the discs of the player who was prominently featured on Brodie's videos, who also happens to be the best player in the world.

McBeth is business-savvy. He didn't get his $10M contract just because he's good at disc golf. He got it because he knows when to make shrewd business decisions, and taking Brodie Smith and his 2M YouTube subscribers under his wing was one of the best he ever made.

 

[crabapillar]

Now that is funny. Mcbeth distanced himself from brodie as quickly as he could, you rarely if ever see them together today. And I would bet brodie/mcbeth was put together by discraft more than anything, if brodie wasn't attached to discraft through ultrastar's it likely wouldn't have occurred.

It's crazy how jaded people are by that 2M youtube subscriber number, that number was flat for quite some time hence him trying dg to revive his following. Even 10% of the those subscriber's were still actively following brodie as you say, why isn't mcbeth way over 100k subscriber's at this point? Why does foundation disc golf only have around 50k subscriber's? The answer is because the majority of the people that followed brodie moved on many years ago, they got tired of the trick shot videos and there was nothing beyond that. He got so desperate for views he started parading his wife around in his videos wearing next to nothing.

Do the math... foundation has 56,400 right now, brodie has 2.2M. Even if every subscriber they had came to them because of brodie it's still only 2.5% of brodie's fan base. Brodie own's a piece of foundation, so where are all his loyal follower's?

 

[Keller]

Why does foundation disc golf only have around 50k subscriber's?

Because their content isn't very good and Trevor is annoying as hell

 

[Chains Bailey]

Do the math...

The "Math" is that PMcBeth and BSmith are making HUGE amounts of $$$ playing disc golf for Discraft.

Their discs, BSmiths specifically, sell out before the plastic even cools.


Anything financially related to Foundation is just the icing - on the icing - on the icing of the cake.

Anything financially related to YouTube is just the icing - on the icing - on the icing - on the icing of the cake.

Anything financially related to Additional Sponsors is just the icing - on the icing - on the icing - on the icing - on the icing of the cake. (With many other tubes of icing available in the future)