BS review of Black Falls DGCR

[roggenb3]

All you A holes on this site that think this is funny grow up and go **** yourselves.

Yes I'm doing just fine and I don't really give two ****s weather he liked or did not like the course.

You spew words of dog ****. You think you are clever with your words but it's all crap. I am personal friends with some of the best golfers in the world. They hold me and my course in the highest respect. Go duck yourself!

You are an idiot that I have no time or more words for just like some of the douches that play at my course. Is there an iggy bin on this site?

You guys are just baiting me now, trying to make me look bad. All my replies have been justified. I'm just trying to defend myself.

I apparently have lost some credibility here with my name calling even though it is totally justified in this situation.

I would hope people would take my atttitude if presented with the same situation

Yeah, I sure wish more people would take your attitude. :|

 

[Dire Wolfy]

Go duck yourself!

Dude, because of all the times you swore you might aswell just go ahead and do"****" again.

 

[NDABRUSH]

Yeah, I sure wish more people would take your attitude. :|

It's almost like "The good old days". flame onopcorn:opcorn:

 

[Johnny Betts]

Yeah dude. Coming from my agitated dirty mouth that is nothing lol!

 

[davetherocketguy]

Or you could just completely ignore my advice.

Good luck with that.

 

[knettles]

Dude, because of all the times you swore you might aswell just go ahead and do"****" again.

It's possible it was a typo. In a fit of rage the D and F keys are right next to each other.

 

[Johnny Betts]

I refuse to succumb to yet another perfect example of the "pussification of America".

 

[sjberry2017]

Dude, because of all the times you swore you might aswell just go ahead and do"****" again.

OK, now that that's out of the way...

It seems to me we have two major attitude clashes in this thread

On the one hand, private courses are often a labor of love, and Johnny Betts obviously does this as a hobby above and beyond what he already does. Seeing that, and seeing how he views the course, I don't blame him for his frustration. Owning a disc golf course, at best, is a fun way to lose your shirt but give back to the community of disc golf we all love, and anyone who has a remotely playable course is a hero. I see how people view it as a privilege to play private courses, and when an owner doesn't charge a dime, it absolutely 100% is. When they charge, to me, that's a slight bit less of a privilege because I am paying you to be on your property, so I do have a right to be there because I provided the money you asked me to for the ability to play the course. Having said that, it is also still a privilege and if I'm sitting there and breaking laws or being a total asshat, then I should be asked to leave. It is 100% the course owner's property and their business.

HOWEVER, I also see the side of a player (especially with the current breadth of available courses) expecting a lot. Especially if that player has to pay to be able to play. Extra especially if that player is traveling a long way to play the course. Extra extra especially if that player is only able to play that one course on the trip. I was expecting to see an extremely slanderous and outrageous review when I went to read the review. What I saw was someone who planned a trip around this course, expected greatness, and was less than impressed with what he saw. Was it a little vindictive? Yes. But was it a player just bashing a course? No. To me, it was someone expressing that the course was not in the shape which he expected it to be in, and was a little extra harsh given what he expected versus what he got.

Could/should he have called ahead to find out the conditions? Oh yes, absolutely, especially if he was traveling that far. Could/should he have joined a facebook group and asked the locals about the course conditions for his trip? I think it would have been a really really great idea to do so.

But he didn't, and it's perfectly within his right to write an honest review about what he experienced. The key is, the player's experience. Is it a privilege to be on the course? Again, for the most part in this case, yes, although he did pay for the experience so there is something owed to him for his money (that's how business works). Do I get why Johnny is so frustrated? Totally, this is his baby, and it's something he does for the community and it goes above and beyond what he does for a living and is probably an endeavor which, in the end, loses money. Are players now somewhat spoiled in their expectations of amenities and upkeep? Yeup, in fact, people in our school club b*tch about the unmowed rough on our home course when the fairways are still plenty wide and discs are still pretty easy to find in it, so I get the frustration. But to say "in my day players were just happy for a course" or "you should be happy he's opening up his land" as if that's an excuse for things which a reviewer would normally expect from any course, and in particular, this course now, be left off an honest review, is ludicrous. For a rating system to be valid, it needs to stay with the times and consistent. One of the great things about the system here is you can find players and reviewers who look for the same things and don't care about the same things as you and trust their reviews. 15 years ago it was acceptable for courses to be missing signs and navigation aids and benches on every hole because the community was just happy to have another course. It would have been great, but it wasn't expected. Nowadays, not every course does, but so many courses do it's part of what separates courses in terms of reviews.

But I would ask is, was the guy right at all or in any partial way? Did he catch the course when the rough was bad, either because of season or because of time constraints? Has some of the signage gotten worse or been broken over time since it was installed? His tone may not have been right, or he may have been extra critical, but did he have any sort of point? Again, I know the frustration, I can't even begin to name how many times I miss an opportunity to improve because I got frustrated and focused on the other person rather than how I could be better (I'm working on that). If he was, then it's an opportunity to improve, and I would say the review is still valid even if it's going to drop traffic to the course since Smuggler's Notch is now rated more highly. Work on the course and make it even better, or keep it in better shape if that's the case. It may not look that way to you, but sometimes fresh eyes are helpful. It just sucks when they're not diplomatic people either, and in some way they are privileged to be there (although again, the dude paid money to be there so he does have a right to have expectations and be disappointed when they aren't met).

 

[roggenb3]

I refuse to succumb to yet another perfect example of the "pussification of America".

I have no idea what you mean by this. You refuse to not be an ass to people so as to not be "pussified"?

You could have just updated your course conditions, and responded to the reviewer.

Instead, you chose to start a thread to whine about it and then proceeded to call everyone who disagrees with you names.

 

[ru4por]

I would strongly recommend just pushing away from the keyboard for a few days...or at least pushing away from this thread. Pretty sure no more useful content is going to be generated here that hasn't been said already. Just a friendly recommendation. That's all.

 

[Dire Wolfy]

It's possible it was a typo. In a fit of rage the D and F keys are right next to each other.

Lol, got it.

 

[Dire Wolfy]

I have no idea what you mean by this. You refuse to not be an ass to people so as to not be "pussified"?

You could have just updated your course conditions, and responded to the reviewer.

Instead, you chose to start a thread to whine about it and then proceeded to call everyone who disagrees with you names.

What ^ said.

 

[jeffmonty]

Opinions are not lies

To be fair, lies are also not opinions. Johnny's pissed because he says the guy ouright lied, not gave his opinion. Which one is true (lie or opinion), I don't know. I think we all can agree Johnny should have stepped away for a bit like Rocketguy suggested. Also, the guy shouldn't have outright lied (if he did) just to bash the place for some invalid reason.

 

[Johnny Betts]

It is my opinion and of countless others that this was a malicious and untruthful review. I don't need these people to confirm this or to help fight my battles.

 

[Dire Wolfy]

It is my opinion and of countless others that this was a malicious and untruthful review. I don't need these people to confirm this or to help fight my battles.

Then why did you make this post in the first place?!

 

[Johnny Betts]

Then why did you make this post in the first place?!

What are you talking about??? I started this thread because most of the information in the review was not correct and people seemed to think it was by giving it a thumbs up. Since then I have gotten numerous phone calls regarding the conditions of the course! I figured posting a thread would reach more people.

Lay off man! Go play a round.

 

[Lazerface]

Just checking in to make sure this is still going.

.....yep....OK, carry on.

 

[Johnny Betts]

Just checking in to make sure this is still going.

.....yep....OK, carry on.

I was ready to be done with this thread after post #49. Post #62 sent me over the edge.

Mando is a good judge of character. God bless the man and can't wait to play his course!

 

[MikeK]

Johnny B, don't let the dummies who haven't paid their course maintenance dues get you down. I hope I get to play your course one day soon!

 

[Hampstead]

Out of curiosity, how many course designers have had a meltdown on here because of a bad review? I know there's been a few.