I can never seem to be able to drive putters over, tops 150ft on a good day, my main putter is a MVP ION 171 weight which I can nail 30ft putts no problem, I have also tried many putters including a dx rhino, star aviar, aerobie arrow, a r-pro pig and a few other putters but cant seem to drive any of them far enough on a par three to ace a hole or have a shot at a birdie. The same goes for my mid-range discs of which I currently use a 173 mako which I have found to be incredibly straight flying but holds a line where I don't want the disc to fly. I also have a lighter Mako a 160 weight and found it to be a little to floppy, but on the random occasion can see it making longer shots in practices. I have also used a z-hawk which I loved for short lay ups but lost the disc, and a champ spider which I found to have good lay ups as well, but for the most part dropped down heavily before its intended mark making for a long putt on the next shot. I have tried out the buzz in both the esp and elite z and seemed to like them, but favored the esp plastic for its grip and it seemed like it would hold an ahny well. I don't know what i'm doing wrong to NOT have any of these discs going over 150ft consistently when I can RHBH drivers 300ft-350 on average. I use a 4 finger grip on the drivers and a fan grip on my mids and putters anyway I try to throw them and have heard that I may need to change my grip on my putters to get them out to the distance I would like them to go. any thoughts?