biscoe
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Rumor was that there would be some women dropping from the event due to the decision. Only significant one I see missing is Hokom but I don't know if she was registered prior (Finns are back in Finland currently).
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OTB Lawsuit Predictions
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BillFleming
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It doesn't surprise me that it is being appealed. If the ruling stands, California's ruling could be used in other states. I would expect other states to start making rules (if they haven't already) that will supercede/block this from being successful elsewhere.
While I hope for Natalie to perform well at the OTB, it would be in her best interest to not place high. Then that would be more evidence showing she doesn't have an advantage by being born male and that is what the "other side" seems to base things on - without any proof.
While I hope for Natalie to perform well at the OTB, it would be in her best interest to not place high. Then that would be more evidence showing she doesn't have an advantage by being born male and that is what the "other side" seems to base things on - without any proof.
BillFleming
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Doesn't surprise me. Try to influence a decision/ruling by saying a bunch of competitors would drop out if the case was won by Natalie....but when 'push comes to shove' nothing happens because the competitors really weren't going to drop; they just wanted to threaten it.
Dcinmd
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One thing I know for certain. Natalie will not tank her performance to appease others.
TiltedFlipCurves
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They had to delete half the chat as it was...of course it's disabled. Hopefully for MPO as well.
BillFleming
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Yeah, I don't expect her to 'tank' and didn't mean to imply that. Poorly worded on my part; let me try better.
I meant that if she ended up not placing high due to the competition, the course, and not being able to participate in other majors....so basically play her best and end up not winning/placing... it would go further to show she doesn't have an advantage. I think if she wins, regardless of how close it is, DGPT will use that against her in the appeal to claim it shows she had an advantage.
Arisugawa
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There were 47 players in FPO prior to yesterday's ruling, there are currently 48 listed on the event page including Natalie. I don't think Hokom was registered.
Looking at the live scoring, there are 48 players. If they are planning on boycotting or dropping, it doesn't appear to have happened yet.
biscoe
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and hopefully for good.
dmoore1998
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They've shown her quite a bit. They sent her card out early on, so she's up near the top (and may be at the top once the round is done...but it was fairly predictable with her going out early that she'd likely be somewhere near the top after playing quite a few more holes than a lot of the other top women).
I've already seen some online comments about people being angry that DGN is showing her at all. I'm not sure what people want DGN to do though given DGN & DGPT are essentially the same. She's suing them for discrimination...they would show anyone else in her position who was in the lead. What are they doing to do? Openly discriminate against her on coverage while in the midst of a lawsuit about whether they're discriminating against her?
Some people just aren't happy unless they're angry.
dehaas
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Players talk about avoiding the west coast swing because the expense isn't worth it.
So FPO players threatening to drop just doesn't make sense.
Why pay for the travel and housing to throw away the opportunity to recoup some of those costs?
So FPO players threatening to drop just doesn't make sense.
Why pay for the travel and housing to throw away the opportunity to recoup some of those costs?
robdeforge
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No, that's not how it would work. This ruling is based on the California Unruh Civil Rights Act (California Civil Code Section 51). The only other state I'm aware of that has similar protections is Minnesota.
BillFleming
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I was thinking more of the judge's ruling....basically, that the evidence provided by the tour did not show that a transgendger disc golfer has any advantage over CIS-females.
That is the argument that the majority of "anti-transgender" folks seem to be using to ban transgender females from playing in female sports.
Surprised to see that the TRO itself was appealed and PDGA/DGPT has been asked the appeals court to respond by 5pm PST today. The appeal likely relies primarily on the insufficient notice given by the plaintiff.
robdeforge
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My apologies for assuming incorrectly, and you make an interesting point (that I clearly hadn't considered)
Arisugawa
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Follow up - the DGPT and PDGA are appealing the TRO and trying to get a stay on it. It's possible any boycott or protest is on hold pending the result of that.
Then again, could be that rumors of boycotts by the players were just rumors by people hoping they would do that rather than play.
https://discgolf.ultiworld.com/2023...-for-appeal-on-thursdays-ruling-in-ryan-case/
BillFleming
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It's all good. I re-read my comment and saw how I wasn't clear on what I was saying. A case of "I know what I was saying, I just didn't say it the way I meant it".
Well, his initial point was they disagree with the ruling, have appealed the ruling and stand by the "11 peer reviewed documents" that the initial decision was made upon.
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