Sports Chiropractor Who Sponsors Alex Geisinger

[Therealgoat]

This is...

Sounds like you're in the medical field and have a problem with the practice in general. Maybe you've had a bad experience in the past, or seen someone taking advantage of their patients? That doesn't mean EVERY Chiropractor is like that though. This guy has come across as wanting to help people and you've come across as nothing but condescending and cynical.

IMO. They help make you feel better. Do they solve the problem? I'm with you, probably not. Neither do countless amounts of prescription drugs issued by medical doctors in droves every single day. I'd rather go with the physical manipulation than pills though, if they have the same effect of treating a symptom (neither should be in replacement of addressing the pathology, as you've stated).

I just don't get the hate.

 

[gsw_03]

Sounds like you're in the medical field and have a problem with the practice in general. Maybe you've had a bad experience in the past, or seen someone taking advantage of their patients? That doesn't mean EVERY Chiropractor is like that though. This guy has come across as wanting to help people and you've come across as nothing but condescending and cynical.

IMO. They help make you feel better. Do they solve the problem? I'm with you, probably not. Neither do countless amounts of prescription drugs issued by medical doctors in droves every single day. I'd rather go with the physical manipulation than pills though, if they have the same effect of treating a symptom (neither should be in replacement of addressing the pathology, as you've stated).

I just don't get the hate.

If I may speak for the others, who have surprisingly valid points, I believe the skepticism revolves around a few things: chiropractors introduce themselves as doctors first and chiropractors second, their practices are rarely evidence-based and typically include treatment of conditions that will never respond to manipulation, and their primary focus is signing patients up for dozens of clinic visits with little to no regard for improvement with ongoing care. It's smoke and mirrors with a huge medical bill at the end of the show. In a nutshell, everything we've heard from this guy in a mere 3 pages. The difference between chiropractic and massage is that massage therapists aren't going to convince you to see them 3-4 times per week for 8 weeks at $65 a session.

In defense of the OP, chiropractors are trained to think and act this way. I've worked with several who went back to school to become MDs and NPs after years of chiropractic practice, and they all said the same thing - it seemed reasonable at the time.

 

[roggenb3]

I really don't understand all the hate for chiropractors. How in the world are they so polarizing?

 

[Vonbeezy1]

I really don't understand all the hate for chiropractors. How in the world are they so polarizing?

Read post above yours. Says everything you need to know.

 

[gsw_03]

I really don't understand all the hate for chiropractors. How in the world are they so polarizing?

They're the social media of the medical field - some folks take it at face value and immerse themselves, while others see it for what it really is: distraction.

 

[Vonbeezy1]

If I may speak for the others, who have surprisingly valid points, I believe the skepticism revolves around a few things: chiropractors introduce themselves as doctors first and chiropractors second, their practices are rarely evidence-based and typically include treatment of conditions that will never respond to manipulation, and their primary focus is signing patients up for dozens of clinic visits with little to no regard for improvement with ongoing care. It's smoke and mirrors with a huge medical bill at the end of the show. In a nutshell, everything we've heard from this guy in a mere 3 pages. The difference between chiropractic and massage is that massage therapists aren't going to convince you to see them 3-4 times per week for 8 weeks at $65 a session.

In defense of the OP, chiropractors are trained to think and act this way. I've worked with several who went back to school to become MDs and NPs after years of chiropractic practice, and they all said the same thing - it seemed reasonable at the time.

I would also like to add generally chiropractors treat symptoms and NOT causes

 

[roggenb3]

Read post above yours. Says everything you need to know.

Anyone who thinks legit MDs and hospitals are not also out to make a buck is fooling themselves.

I would also like to add generally chiropractors treat symptoms and NOT causes

As far as treating pain is concerned, real doctors just treat the symptoms too.

"Doc, I have back pain"
"Oh, here's some OxyContin"

Wow, definitely treating the cause of the pain there.


But for reals, if you hate on chiropractors that's cool, but no need to crap on this guy. He's a chiropractor that sponsors a pro disc golfer. He wanted to make some free videos to help people stretch and stuff and answer questions and everyone jumps on him like he's here to convince you that you need a chiropractor. Isn't possible that he's just a nice guy that wanted to help the DG community?

 

[Vonbeezy1]

Anyone who thinks legit MDs and hospitals are not also out to make a buck is fooling themselves.



As far as treating pain is concerned, real doctors just treat the symptoms too.

"Doc, I have back pain"
"Oh, here's some OxyContin"

Wow, definitely treating the cause of the pain there.
Wrong! Doctors can do surgeries, procedures, and can prescribe medicines that treat causes. Some medicines treat symptoms yes, but other medicines treat causes as well.

But for reals, if you hate on chiropractors that's cool, but no need to crap on this guy. He's a chiropractor that sponsors a pro disc golfer. He wanted to make some free videos to help people stretch and stuff and answer questions and everyone jumps on him like he's here to convince you that you need a chiropractor. Isn't possible that he's just a nice guy that wanted to help the DG community?

I don't "hate" on chiropractors, I just feel too many patients are uninformed and some chiropractors take advantage of this. Not to mention, they claim to treat things that their is no evidence based research that confirms the treatments they utilize.

 

[Therealgoat]

If I may speak for the others, who have surprisingly valid points...

I get this, it just turns quickly into bashing, claiming they're ALL out to get you at your own body and wallet's expense (to a degree - obviously, they are trying to make a living).

I'm glad someone brought up massage, because I thought about bringing it up too. I've had injury related and relaxation massages, and I've had chiropractic care. They both make you feel better. If I had extra money laying around (I don't), I'd totally pay to visit one of each every single week. Same idea as spending money on good bedding, you spend a lot of time sleeping, and good sleep translates to several benefits, the least of which are not waking up with a headache and a stiff back.

Can you be led to believe that your chiropractic care is fixing all your ailments, and you need to keep coming back even when unnecessary (all PT does take repetition to actually help anything)? Sure. But that doesn't mean every chiropractor everywhere is malicious.

I've had two experiences with them in the past, and they both went through several stretches and exercises I could work on myself to both strengthen the area in question, and prevent having to come back to them. Neither of them attempted to persuade me into repeated visits because it was something only they could "fix".

 

[Siiimmons]

Go see a physical therapist over a chiro. Evidence based in all aspects, not just some (apart from modalities and "aligning" pelvises). But a chiro will be more likely to do these waste of time treatments as well.

A PTs goal is to never see you again when you are discharged. That is not the case with all chiros.

 

[Therealgoat]

That is not the case with all chiros.

Emphasis mine. Thank you for the rational tone. For what its worth, a close friend and my sister are both Doctorate PTs. I agree with you.

 

[josephreese]

I used to see a great chiropractor once a month. I wish he hadn't moved out of my area. I never went to see him about curing anything, and he never made claims to me that he could cure anything. Also, he only made adjustments to my spine. To me these visits were general maintenance, not a panacea. I just feel much better when I have regular adjustments. I have more mobility. I breathe easier (which was a welcome surprise). Most importantly, I have less pain. I put these visits in the same mental bucket as taking my truck in for regular oil changes and tune-ups. I wish more chiropractors would approach their craft this way. I've seen and bailed on a few quacks since he left.

To the OP: if you're doing videos, anything that keeps my QL happy would be great. Thanks for putting in the effort.

 

[juju]

Wasn't Chris Kilgus (Salient) a chiropractor? Lol, not comparing OP to him, just trying to uncover where the hate for chiropractors comes from.

I have a lot of medical doctors in my family and none of them like chiros at all.

 

[ToddL]

Kilgus is an actual PT/Orthopedist

 

[Siiimmons]

Kilgus is an actual PT/Orthopedist

I believe he was a doctor of physical therapy, but dont put that evil on us!

 

[ToddL]

...just trying to uncover where the hate for chiropractors comes from.

I have a lot of medical doctors in my family and none of them like chiros at all.

Here's one:

Hey guys, Dr. Jeremy Marty here. My brother Dr. Josh

Real doctors don't like it when not-so-real doctors refer to themselves as doctors.

 

[roggenb3]

Real doctors don't like it when not-so-real doctors refer to themselves as doctors.

I suppose they are also offended by people with PhDs in Math calling themselves doctors?

Like it or not (at least some) chirpractors have professional doctorate degrees.

 

[gsw_03]

I suppose they are also offended by people with PhDs in Math calling themselves doctors?

Like it or not (at least some) chirpractors have professional doctorate degrees.

No professional appreciates it when someone else introduces themself as "Doctor..." in a casual setting, whether they're a chiropractor, therapist, physician, mathematician, vet, etc. As a courtesy to others, introduce yourself by your first and last name unless someone is seeking your services in a professional setting. If you feel the need to announce to the world that you have a doctorate, you're not secure in your profession or your position in the hierarchy. I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of doctors on this website who have never once felt the need to refer to their credentials. We're all just disc golfers here, right? :thmbup:

 

[ejvogie]

 

[StevenSeagal]

My biggest gripe with instructional vids on the internet is that they're for the most part way too long. IMHO if I'm trying to learn about a particular stretch or movement I don't want to spend anymore than is absolutely necessary hearing about it. For instance I will pass on a 15 or even 10 minute vid that shows 5 different ways to stretch a particular muscle group and so on. Wading through the internet looking for a specific and specialized bit of info can be tiring enough without all the extra stuff.