Cheetahs can go forever on a strong snap hyzer flip thrown 30' high. I had some in my bag for a while and when people asked what I threw and I told them a Cheetah, I got some great reactions. Seems the only Cheetahs anyone I play with has ever thrown are the beat to hell DX ones you find in the bushes on the course. I'd be more inclined to bag them if they were easier to get in champ plastic, because trees happen