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Val drops Innova?
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Since you know both PM and MJ, why don't you provide some insight into what exactly you mean? Very few us have met either, let alone had the opportunity to get to know them well enough to judge them.
Halcón
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I'll trust Ian on this one.
Really great post overall. I am not sure I totally buy into the growth from within completely though, but I think this is where the actual crux of the argument is.
There is definitely some within that needs changing, but I am not sure on how to do it. I think a lot of the previously made points made about why the sport is unfriendly to women are very valid. I for one don't like playing with a bunch of guys smoking, using profanity, and using crude humor. It's just not who I am. When I bring my wife and kids on the course, I cringe when we come upon a big group of guys in a cloud of smoke using language I don't want my kids repeating. It's not really family friendly. On the flip side, I love running into a family on the course, out having a good time. It gives me some hope of the future of disc golf. And I hope they aren't scared off by the groups out there drinking and smoking weed.
This is where I think women can really help grow and change the sport. It's not to say that women don't or won't drink or smoke on the course, but generally, their added presence does make it more family friendly and inviting to newcomers. This is where I want to see our sport go.
I realize I am not necessarily the majority here, but I represent what could be a majority, and major growth for the sport. Right now our culture is more fringe. That fringe comes with some of the things that are likely off putting to women and families. To shift our culture from within, I doubt most who like to smoke weed and drink beer are willing to change and leave that at home or at least take part elsewhere. Instead something external needs to nudge us to that sort of change.
I think we need to look at the sports that women have more equal footing on, at least to some degree. Where did they come from and how did they grow for women? I don't have the answers, but someone mentioned putting money in to tennis helped the explosion of women in the 90's and it makes sense. Seems something a future minded company might want to consider.
Lol, this post. It's truly sad if anybody takes this dude seriously at all.
At no time under my operation or under my instruction was Cat sexed up by or for the camera. I treat all athletes with respect as athletes, regardless of gender, sponsor, perceived attractiveness by the Internet, etc.
ScottyLove
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Folks keep using the term "contract" and I'm pretty sure Big Jerm, during his after show on SmashboxxTV, said Innova doesn't do contracts. They have "1-year agreements" with players. It give both ultimate flexibility. It might be subtle, but still a difference.
But then again, I'm the again on a mission this year to get players and commentators to use the term "throws" instead of "strokes"... We throw discs, not stroke them. I won by 11 throws once... not 11 strokes.
But then again, I'm the again on a mission this year to get players and commentators to use the term "throws" instead of "strokes"... We throw discs, not stroke them. I won by 11 throws once... not 11 strokes.
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Funny how he's so sensitive and needs to report other people all the time, yet has no problem spewing his defamatory comments.
I.E. Jussi, DGWT, etc.
If he's free to do that, why do the powers that be punish us for calling him out?
SD86
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"Agreement", "covenant"... a contract by any other name... semantical weeds...
This is due to the terminology of golf ball golf, which disc golf uses in other areas, as well. I understand your point, but it's likely not going to change.
I'm gonna try to not pile on to this crazy thread.
Most thread specific, what 'honors' did Val feel like she was denied? That's the only thing (FTR, haven't read her statement) that seems construable as lame. I'm assuming she didn't specify or it would've been reiterated on here somewhere but regardless she can leave for any reason she feels and if she thinks she can do more for women's DG by leaving than I hope she knocks herself out.
RE why female participation in DG is low: I honestly have no idea. I've seen female participation in other sports/hobbies that are male dominated so I don't think being a sausage fest is necessarily the biggest culprit. Females are treated horribly in video games but they still cash in. In my experience and geographic area, disc golfers seem noticeably more inviting and courteous in general than the folks I usually encounter playing pickup basketball, etc. Plus there are a lot of women that aren't girly girly and would prefer to be outdoors with a bunch of guys instead of stereotypical female pursuits. For whatever reason, DG doesn't look like fun to women IMO and tournament DG really doesn't look like fun to them (I can't blame them much here). Either DG sounds too hard (probably the 'golf' part) or the concept of throwing a frisbee type disc other than to your buddy on the beach seems antithetically fun and bizarre.
Most thread specific, what 'honors' did Val feel like she was denied? That's the only thing (FTR, haven't read her statement) that seems construable as lame. I'm assuming she didn't specify or it would've been reiterated on here somewhere but regardless she can leave for any reason she feels and if she thinks she can do more for women's DG by leaving than I hope she knocks herself out.
RE why female participation in DG is low: I honestly have no idea. I've seen female participation in other sports/hobbies that are male dominated so I don't think being a sausage fest is necessarily the biggest culprit. Females are treated horribly in video games but they still cash in. In my experience and geographic area, disc golfers seem noticeably more inviting and courteous in general than the folks I usually encounter playing pickup basketball, etc. Plus there are a lot of women that aren't girly girly and would prefer to be outdoors with a bunch of guys instead of stereotypical female pursuits. For whatever reason, DG doesn't look like fun to women IMO and tournament DG really doesn't look like fun to them (I can't blame them much here). Either DG sounds too hard (probably the 'golf' part) or the concept of throwing a frisbee type disc other than to your buddy on the beach seems antithetically fun and bizarre.
Mabuku1
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They don't want to get into the dirty detail, according to them. Which is what we all want to know.
Mabuku1
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My guess would be that women don't want to be around a bunch of men they don't care to be around.
Mabuku1
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I fall in the second category. I bought a ton for f discs from every manufacturer there was and tried them all out. I still love the ones I have stocked in my closet, but I know what works best for me now.
The only disc I knew of that had a girl pro on it when I was buying discs was the JK aviar and I didn't like it becaus it was too floppy for my liking. I have bought stalkers but they weren't signature ones.
I think for this to even be a decent discussion, you have to factor in if they gave Val a signature disc her first world title, and it was a Roc then it would have made her a ton of money for years. But Climo had that, so what next? Climo had everything. There was not much to take from after that. But if she did get a popular selling disc then she would have made a lot of money over the years in royalties. Maybe the Archangel since that is sold in every big5 across the country in starter sets? Who knows. But to say paul sells more discs than her as an arguement seems skewed to me. He's had a few years to sell the most popular discs innova makes. So naturally he will have a head start on sales numbers.
Will it send this thread straight to the landfill if we diverge to talk about the last time that "sexed up" and "Catrina Allen"were the same topic of discussion?
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