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I live right by there...are you in this area?
No. I just figured that course fit well I to what Dan was talking about.
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I live right by there...are you in this area?
Well, as no one else has mentioned trying it.. you can actually use the DGCR 'SSE' formulas backwards to get a rough ballpark estimate for what a SSA 54 course might look like, in terms of length. Yes, this is a big extrapolation, and certainly should be taken with a grain of salt (at least). But, given a course of 'moderate foliage/technicality', the SSE formulas predict SSE 54 at a total course length of 6596ft., or an average hole length of 366ft.
Note: 6596ft. is actually pretty long for an 18-hole course, when you go looking at total course lengths.
Well, as no one else has mentioned trying it.. you can actually use the DGCR 'SSE' formulas backwards to get a rough ballpark estimate for what a SSA 54 course might look like, in terms of length. Yes, this is a big extrapolation, and certainly should be taken with a grain of salt (at least). But, given a course of 'moderate foliage/technicality', the SSE formulas predict SSE 54 at a total course length of 6596ft., or an average hole length of 366ft.
Note: 6596ft. is actually pretty long for an 18-hole course, when you go looking at total course lengths.
Yes, but using cases where we have good data (like Lemon Lake Red), we can make helpful clarifying statements like "a course that is slightly less wooded/tight than LL Red is what a 'Moderately Wooded' course looks like".
What you are getting at is individual hole design and scoring spread......which is a different topic than SSA/SSE (albeit a closely related topic).
Well, the O.P. was talking about a course with every hole the same length, which comes down to individual hole design.
An interesting question would be whether a course with an SSA of 54 and every hole the same length, would have the same total length as a course with an SSA of 54, the same foliage and elevation, but a variety of individual hole lengths.
My guess is, it wouldn't. If 500' is the answer to the O.P. (9,000', wide open course, SSA 54), then a course of 9 300' holes and 9 700' holes would probably have a lower SSA, despite the same length.
Yes. For a 54, they would need to take enough 2s to counteract the 4s. There should be an expectation of taking a 3.
What about a 45? When should they be taking as many 2s as 3s?
36?
I'll chime in with my guestimations in a couple hours after class.
Does SSA account for this, I thought it was just total length, not indivisual hole length.
I don't know what they changed the SSE formula to now but according to the original implementation a flat wide open course would have to have an average hole length of 445ft.
While SSE/SSA are useful tools for this discussion, they are not the answer to the question.
I might have had another "morning moment" explaining that too, but this is about what's expected on an individual hole which, on a course with 18 of them a pro would be expected to shoot 54 making only typical shots. Anything atypical, like a 30'+ putt, is accounted for in SSE/SSA, but not my question.
If the course were all the same distance holes, what distance would those holes have to be for a 54 to be a 1000 rated round?
Yeah, but that accounts for pros hitting 10% from 80' or something. They aren't expected to do hit any particular 80' putt, though.
While SSE/SSA are useful tools for this discussion, they are not the answer to the question.
I might have had another "morning moment" explaining that too, but this is about what's expected on an individual hole which, on a course with 18 of them a pro would be expected to shoot 54 making only typical shots. Anything atypical, like a 30'+ putt, is accounted for in SSE/SSA, but not my question.