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Why do you have understable discs in your bag?
- Thread starter Toddinski
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It's funny, when I learned to play dg in the Carolina woods, which aren't windy and require a lot of shot shaping, I had a bag full of straight to understable stuff.
Now, in Indiana and Nebraska my bag is full of overstable stuff because there is almost always wind and almost always an available hyzer line.
I miss the woods.
Now, in Indiana and Nebraska my bag is full of overstable stuff because there is almost always wind and almost always an available hyzer line.
I miss the woods.
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The added glide of understable discs is great for shot shaping and hyzer flipping straightaways.
Not saying this is the case with you, but there's a few people I know that carry nothing US bc their form is terrible so they can't throw them without turning and burning every throw.
I agree with the earlier post that said an US mid is the most useful disc. There's just so much you can do with it. I don't even carry an OS mid anymore, just a QMS and a Tursas.
I agree with the earlier post that said an US mid is the most useful disc. There's just so much you can do with it. I don't even carry an OS mid anymore, just a QMS and a Tursas.
One-third of my bag is understable:
A beat-to-hell 1999 Soft Magnet for sharp turnover short shots and trickery
A well-worn 2004 Aviar P & A for gentle turnover short to medium shots
A Stratus for sharp turnover mid shots and trickery
A 2002ish Champ Stingray for hyzer-flip straight mid shots and forehand rolling trickery (has hit 1,000 obstacles and still flies like the day I bought it, best overall Disc I've owned in my life, best plastic ever made)
A beat-to-hell 2004 DX Roc for shaping shots when my straight-as-an-arrow Buzzz won't do as funky of things
An Echo Star Roadrunner for turnover drives
Love me some understable Discs!
A beat-to-hell 1999 Soft Magnet for sharp turnover short shots and trickery
A well-worn 2004 Aviar P & A for gentle turnover short to medium shots
A Stratus for sharp turnover mid shots and trickery
A 2002ish Champ Stingray for hyzer-flip straight mid shots and forehand rolling trickery (has hit 1,000 obstacles and still flies like the day I bought it, best overall Disc I've owned in my life, best plastic ever made)
A beat-to-hell 2004 DX Roc for shaping shots when my straight-as-an-arrow Buzzz won't do as funky of things
An Echo Star Roadrunner for turnover drives
Love me some understable Discs!
I have a very large variance in discs in my bag. With that is...
Fuse
Underworld
Hatchet
I don't have a forehand, so I throw these a whole lot.
Fuse
Underworld
Hatchet
I don't have a forehand, so I throw these a whole lot.
I am the same so I only carry a couple understable discs and I only use them occasionally (beat to crap DX Gazelle, lightweight Polecat, Caribou, Woodchuck).
Big jerm would disagree 
A FH acts differently vs understable BH throws though. I can throw a understable disc on a very high anny line and have it ride slowly right and travel much further laterally vs a spike FH shot.
Also throwing US straight is the biggest advantage without needing a ton of juice. Anytime i play in winds you face a tailwind/right to left cross where US work the best just like OS into head/left to right.
I dont think every player needs a ton of US molds but they are much more useful in general vs stable/os stuff.
A FH acts differently vs understable BH throws though. I can throw a understable disc on a very high anny line and have it ride slowly right and travel much further laterally vs a spike FH shot. Also throwing US straight is the biggest advantage without needing a ton of juice. Anytime i play in winds you face a tailwind/right to left cross where US work the best just like OS into head/left to right.
I dont think every player needs a ton of US molds but they are much more useful in general vs stable/os stuff.
biscoe
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Big jerm would disagree
Also throwing US straight is the biggest advantage without needing a ton of juice. Anytime i play in winds you face a tailwind/right to left cross where US work the best just like OS into head/left to right.
I dont think every player needs a ton of US molds but they are much more useful in general vs stable/os stuff.
pretty much covers it. if you play in the woods without us discs you are screwing yourself.
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Big Jerm is an animal and though I have tried I can't make understable discs do the things he does.
Basically with angle manipulation I can use something stable for that shot your describing. Though on the 8 courses I play regularly there is only one hole that I preform that shot and it's not worth bagging another disc for it.
Understable discs have their place, I've just never found it in my bag.
Basically with angle manipulation I can use something stable for that shot your describing. Though on the 8 courses I play regularly there is only one hole that I preform that shot and it's not worth bagging another disc for it.
Understable discs have their place, I've just never found it in my bag.
Keller
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I used to carry quite a few understable discs but now I only carry a seasoned Leopard and occasionally a Sidewinder. The Leopard gets used all the time when I play in the woods. I also carry a Comet, but I consider that a neutral disc.
Off the shelf understable discs seem too squirrelly too me, I prefer beat/seasoned neutral/stable discs, they seem far more controllable.
Off the shelf understable discs seem too squirrelly too me, I prefer beat/seasoned neutral/stable discs, they seem far more controllable.
Twmccoy
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I don't really have anything understable in the bag. I do have a champion Tern, but I won't call it understable. It flies flat but won't flip over if thrown hard.
Frankly I don't find use for flippy stuff. If I need something to finish right I'll throw it sidearm. Understable discs are too finicky to get consistent shots out of and I'd rather throw drivers hard and flat than try to hyzerflip them for distance.
I had a Nuke SS in the bag for a while, but it was maddening trying to get that disc to fly straight. More often than not it would flip over and eat ground. The distance potential is there, but you never have a clue where a really understable disc is going.
Frankly I don't find use for flippy stuff. If I need something to finish right I'll throw it sidearm. Understable discs are too finicky to get consistent shots out of and I'd rather throw drivers hard and flat than try to hyzerflip them for distance.
I had a Nuke SS in the bag for a while, but it was maddening trying to get that disc to fly straight. More often than not it would flip over and eat ground. The distance potential is there, but you never have a clue where a really understable disc is going.
^i couldn't disagree more. The biggest ah ha moment in my dg playing time was early on learning to throw my skeeter in the woods on any line. It felt almost magical at first being able to get beautiful straight flights. Hyzer flipping the monarch for distance FH was a eye opener as well.
Higher speed US stuff isnt really the point of bagging US discs though unless you want easier max D. Speed 9s and below are where the US molds are the most useful.
Higher speed US stuff isnt really the point of bagging US discs though unless you want easier max D. Speed 9s and below are where the US molds are the most useful.
Tight wooded hole with dense trees on both sides of a narrow fairway, you end up 125' away on the right edge just off the fairway. Fairway dog legs right to the basket. It's impossible to forehand (assuming RH player) because of dense trees to the right. The only line you have is RHBH that must hold the line all the way to the basket -- if it fades early you're in dense woods to the left.
That's one example where an understable putter is a must (I bag a Discraft Soft APX for this type of shot). Add some length and I'd use an Opto Fuse -- they both hold the line with essentially no fade.
Take the same scenario only flip it around so the dogleg is left and you're on the left side just off the fairway. No backhand possibility, so FH the understable putter or mid, depending on the length.
Without understable discs that hold the line all the way, you just can't get close to the basket -- add a stroke or more.
That's one example where an understable putter is a must (I bag a Discraft Soft APX for this type of shot). Add some length and I'd use an Opto Fuse -- they both hold the line with essentially no fade.
Take the same scenario only flip it around so the dogleg is left and you're on the left side just off the fairway. No backhand possibility, so FH the understable putter or mid, depending on the length.
Without understable discs that hold the line all the way, you just can't get close to the basket -- add a stroke or more.
Agricolae
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All the reasons for bagging US discs that I could think of (and some I agree with but couldn't think of) are given in the above posts. As Biscoe points out, if you play in the woods, you need all the possible flight lines that US discs provide. AIM hid an excellent point in one of his posts ... if you haven't tried a neutral (dead straight) to slightly US disc with a right-to-left crosswind (RHBH), you're missing some magic.
US discs require an intermediate- to advanced-level pilot's license. It takes practice to dial them in and be confident with what they can and will do. Sweeping hyser - yes, if you're follow-through is good. Hyser-to-flat for a mostly straight shot. Steep hyser-to-flat for a left turn then straight shot. Hyser-to-flat-to-turnover ... left, then straight, then right. Flat to anhyser release ... rollers.
My favorite discs are my most US discs:
DX Sonic
beat DX Stingray
beat DX Roc
beat DX Leopard
beat DX Teebird
DX Valkyrie
I'll pick and choose depending on the course and distances.
On the other hand, if it's an open course and the wind is blowing, give me neutral and OS discs and I'm good to go.
US discs require an intermediate- to advanced-level pilot's license. It takes practice to dial them in and be confident with what they can and will do. Sweeping hyser - yes, if you're follow-through is good. Hyser-to-flat for a mostly straight shot. Steep hyser-to-flat for a left turn then straight shot. Hyser-to-flat-to-turnover ... left, then straight, then right. Flat to anhyser release ... rollers.
My favorite discs are my most US discs:
DX Sonic
beat DX Stingray
beat DX Roc
beat DX Leopard
beat DX Teebird
DX Valkyrie
I'll pick and choose depending on the course and distances.
On the other hand, if it's an open course and the wind is blowing, give me neutral and OS discs and I'm good to go.
mattc
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Because I am a noodle arm with no forehand skills
Halcón
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I mentioned in the PD2 thread that a guy at the course let me throw his. He also pointed to an open basket 120' away, and said he likes to throw it as an approach disc. Then he threw it on a FH flex line and parked it. Now, personally, I think that's crazy. I'd just throw my Ion right at it for the easy drop in. But it was also really cool to see. And the beauty of this game is that we all have our own style, and strengths. As long as the plastic goes in the basket, it's ALL good. :thmbup:
