SpikeHyzer
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Closest thing I can think of would be a domey Z-Force.
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DGR's Discraft Pipe Dreams
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Frank Delicious
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dgdave said:
really how many runs of extremes do you need? They last for years. I could buy 5 and be set for life.
dgdave
* Ace Member *
Frank_Delicious said:
At least one run of ESPs. Even a limited run. I don't think the 10 or 11 Zs I have are enough. :roll:
SpikeHyzer
* Ace Member *
That's why I said closest...because that is probably the closest thing that Discraft has to the Boss.
JKP said:
Actually, you would want a FLAT ESP Force to fly somewhat like a Destroyer. They do not go as far, but they are more predictable and the distance difference is not dramatic. Domeys are WAY overstable, the flats are more like a typical star Destroyer.
A list of discs that are becoming discontinued:
Pro D Reaper
Pro D Venom
Pro D Wasp
Elite Z Cyclone
Elite Z Reaper
Elite Z Wildcat
Elite Z Cyclone Fly Dye
Elite Z Reaper Fly Dye
Elite Z Wildcat Fly Dye
ESP Wasp
ESP Pulse Fly Dye
Elite X Predator Fly Dye
FYI
Pro D Reaper
Pro D Venom
Pro D Wasp
Elite Z Cyclone
Elite Z Reaper
Elite Z Wildcat
Elite Z Cyclone Fly Dye
Elite Z Reaper Fly Dye
Elite Z Wildcat Fly Dye
ESP Wasp
ESP Pulse Fly Dye
Elite X Predator Fly Dye
FYI
Luke1
Eagle Member
If they didn't, I would kill someone. With my hands.
But dropping ESP and D? That seems kind of stupid to me, a new blend of D plastic and they drop a workhorse mid? I guess they figure anybody that throws Discraft is going to throw the Buzzz anyway. Now they don't have much choice...JKP said:
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Easy
Birdie Member
<--- Wasp x 2 / Buzzz x 2 / Meteor --->
Most anything wacky gets a pro D Wasp tossed near it because by wacky I mean water, man-eating thickets, etc. Like them better than Whippets because they seem easier to get to do the bread and butter "save Eric's aft" shots. Though a Whippet will do some craaaazy cool stuff if you use it just right.
If pro D goes, guess it will be back to "toss-n-pray" Whippets.
Guess maybe it is time to stock up. Darnit.
Getting really fond of the Wasp. Darn-Darnit.
Most anything wacky gets a pro D Wasp tossed near it because by wacky I mean water, man-eating thickets, etc. Like them better than Whippets because they seem easier to get to do the bread and butter "save Eric's aft" shots. Though a Whippet will do some craaaazy cool stuff if you use it just right.
If pro D goes, guess it will be back to "toss-n-pray" Whippets.
Guess maybe it is time to stock up. Darnit.
Getting really fond of the Wasp. Darn-Darnit.
Blake_T1
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usually boils down to sales and whether or not it's worth hooking the mold up and running some.
from a business standpoint it's only worth running stuff that will sell quickly and selling any slow movers is a loss of opportunity cost. i'm guessing discraft has some sales figure that when a disc drops below that point it's no longer "worth" keeping it in production.
Discraft discs that seem to sell the most are ones that a SORT OF like one of Innova's discs, but with a distinct appeal that Innova lacks. Example: Z Buzzz/Z Wasp. Champion Rocs are expensive and hard for the average player to come by, so many buy Z Buzzz/Z Wasp. If you have thrown Teebirds/Firebirds, then you will probably like the Predator which is between them in stability and little faster. I also think the Force is LIKE the Destroyer/Xcal/Boss, but yet a little different and more versatile than any of those 3. This is the kind of thing that I believe drives Discraft's disc design process.
Blake_T1
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there's been periods where discraft was ahead of the game and periods where they've been more reactive.
1993 to 1996... the tournament pro plastic was the best plastic ever used at that point. the cyclone and x-clone were far beyond the other discs available on the market in that style upon their release.
1997-2000... elite pro plastic was the best plastic ever used at that point. the X2, XL, and Xtra were far beyond the other discs available on the market in that style upon their release. the MRV was arguably the best small diameter midrange ever made.
since then things have seemed more reactive (with the exception of the storm and flippy midranges... breeze, glide, meteor, etc.)
the thing that stands out in my mind over the 2001-2003 era was that discraft really didn't have any limited edition fund raising stuff going on. discraft had a much bigger chunk of market when z plastic was readily available in many models and innova was having trouble keeping up with demand for champion edition plastic. getting what people wanted most in their hands at all times was pretty much what did it for them. this is where i feel they sort of "dropped the ball" over the past 5 years with 2nd first run buzzz's, cryztal plastic, z/flx drones, etc.
the crush was the last design that imo, felt truly unique and not like a counterpart (or a marginal retool or hybrid) to something that was already available on the market.
1993 to 1996... the tournament pro plastic was the best plastic ever used at that point. the cyclone and x-clone were far beyond the other discs available on the market in that style upon their release.
1997-2000... elite pro plastic was the best plastic ever used at that point. the X2, XL, and Xtra were far beyond the other discs available on the market in that style upon their release. the MRV was arguably the best small diameter midrange ever made.
since then things have seemed more reactive (with the exception of the storm and flippy midranges... breeze, glide, meteor, etc.)
the thing that stands out in my mind over the 2001-2003 era was that discraft really didn't have any limited edition fund raising stuff going on. discraft had a much bigger chunk of market when z plastic was readily available in many models and innova was having trouble keeping up with demand for champion edition plastic. getting what people wanted most in their hands at all times was pretty much what did it for them. this is where i feel they sort of "dropped the ball" over the past 5 years with 2nd first run buzzz's, cryztal plastic, z/flx drones, etc.
the crush was the last design that imo, felt truly unique and not like a counterpart (or a marginal retool or hybrid) to something that was already available on the market.
Working Stiff
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I always laugh now when people say they like Discraft mids and Innova drivers. When I was playing seriously it was the opposite. Discraft really didn't have an answer to the Roc, but the Cyclone-X-Clone driver duo in Tourney Pro was the best driver set-up in the game.Blake_T said:
Blake_T said:
Good synopsis. I also think that when the Wildcat/Predator were released they were also ahead of anything else. At that moment in time, as you mention above, Innova had run out of CE and few things were available. The closest equivalents they had were the Valk/Firebird. Not long after the Wildcat/Predator Innova reacted with the Beast/Monster. Discraft put out the Crush...and then came the first Starfire, which imo was a pretty blatent copy of the Crush. However, then came the Orc...and I feel Innova has had the upper hand ever since.
rehder
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I think that Discraft doesnt get enough credit for the x-line Avenger, I think its a very good disc and it should deserve some more love on these forums.
