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Discmania (FD) Jackal
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Timko
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So I'm still trying to get the hang of this disc, but I think it's got more initial stability than I was planning on. Not that you can't get it to turn over, you can definitely do that, and you can anhyzer it, but I was getting the nose up a bit yesterday and it was hyzering out. So it's not a flip machine, which I find good. It means you have to throw it to get it to fly how you want.
Also, I can't throw it finesse on a hyzer and get it to pop up. If you're throwing it for finesse, you need to put it on the angle you want it to fly.
It's been cold here, so my grip is weak at the moment. Hopefully those guys in warmer climates can help me out here with some thoughts over the next couple of days.
Also, I can't throw it finesse on a hyzer and get it to pop up. If you're throwing it for finesse, you need to put it on the angle you want it to fly.
It's been cold here, so my grip is weak at the moment. Hopefully those guys in warmer climates can help me out here with some thoughts over the next couple of days.
kern97871
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Timko said:
That makes me really happy. Personally, if I'm throwing a disc on a finesse shot, I want 0 turn on it. That's what made champ/star leopards so appealing to me when I threw them.
booter
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ok i got my fd today! weeeeee. well first off,this thing feels awesome. it just feels really good in my hands,compact,and a better grip than leos to me. its definitely a leo wing but i can see some modifications for sure. the wing is a little more convex,almost more roadrunner ish along with the small bevel? on the wing like the leo has. mine has a good size dome but not soup bowl domey. the plastic feels sweet,its grippy,opaque as hell. i cant wait to throw mine.
btw,timko,thanks for the green!
heres some pics to show what the difference is in the wings. luckily i have a ce leo handy
SFD
ce leo
ce leo
ce leo
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btw,timko,thanks for the green!
heres some pics to show what the difference is in the wings. luckily i have a ce leo handy
SFD
ce leo
ce leo
ce leo
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himynameismatt
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Looks a lot like a Leo that they took and sanded down the "bead"a lil bit. I like this. Pro Leo's were the first discs I threw over 300' and once they wore down a bit they just feel great in the hand.
booter
* Ace Member *
yea,i wish i had a leo to test it against but im gonna try and get some throws in with the fd today.
I just got my test FD in the mail...too bad the weather is so shitty atm. I'll get to throw it tomorrow.
With the disc in my hand I can say a few other things for certain...First, it's not a PD top, rather it looks teebird/leopard-like. Second, the bottom is new. I don't have a Leo here, but I'm pretty familiar with the wing and the FD is different. The wing is styled after the Leo, but it is longer and the bead at the bottom of the wing is less pronounced. Up until the mini bead the wing is slightly convex. It looks like Leo/RR hybrid is what they were thinking based on the design. I'm excited to throw it!
With the disc in my hand I can say a few other things for certain...First, it's not a PD top, rather it looks teebird/leopard-like. Second, the bottom is new. I don't have a Leo here, but I'm pretty familiar with the wing and the FD is different. The wing is styled after the Leo, but it is longer and the bead at the bottom of the wing is less pronounced. Up until the mini bead the wing is slightly convex. It looks like Leo/RR hybrid is what they were thinking based on the design. I'm excited to throw it!
booter
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^my thoughts exactly
i posted pics a page back mike. its definitely diff from a leo.
i posted pics a page back mike. its definitely diff from a leo.
booter
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weather is good here,winds hav subsided so im hoping its calm today. im gonna toss this thing next to a qjls i have since i hav no leos
mf100forever
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jubuttib said:
:-D
said the same about 20 years ago 
I'm really interested to see how these fly based on the pictures. Better go throw yours today Booter
Oh, one more thing I noticed. I was looking at my Leos just now and while the wing on my Pro is flat, my Star Leo has a convex wing just before the bead/notch. Dunno if it means anything just tossing that out there.
Oh, one more thing I noticed. I was looking at my Leos just now and while the wing on my Pro is flat, my Star Leo has a convex wing just before the bead/notch. Dunno if it means anything just tossing that out there.
I got mine when I got home. Unfortunately got the dark blue tester so I dont want to go throw it in the dark. I'll give it some rips tomorrow morning before work
The best way I can describe the way the top domes up is like a Sabre(and some other gateway like domey Apache's). the dome isn't uncomfortable and doesn't look like an "oops". It looks intentionally built that way. The plastic is very dense on the top of the flight plate, not thin like most super domey mess ups. The nose is pretty close to Teebird/QJLS but the shape of the dome and bottom piece make it hard to tell. The nose looked close to my QJs but I think the bottom piece makes it turn down a bit more. The parting line sits lower than the QJ's because of the modified leopard bottom...yeah the bottom is odd...the closest thing to it would be a leopard. I am not sure if it is the S-line plastic or if the bevel/notch was intentional shaved down. You can feel the notch but it isn't as well defined as you would find on a Leopard.
I do have one thing to add for those that might be disappointed(and excited) by the shape of the disc. A lot of the Discmania test/proto discs change. I am curious to see how the stock runs come out, specifically if the the dome flattens and the leopard bevel is more pronounced.
The best way I can describe the way the top domes up is like a Sabre(and some other gateway like domey Apache's). the dome isn't uncomfortable and doesn't look like an "oops". It looks intentionally built that way. The plastic is very dense on the top of the flight plate, not thin like most super domey mess ups. The nose is pretty close to Teebird/QJLS but the shape of the dome and bottom piece make it hard to tell. The nose looked close to my QJs but I think the bottom piece makes it turn down a bit more. The parting line sits lower than the QJ's because of the modified leopard bottom...yeah the bottom is odd...the closest thing to it would be a leopard. I am not sure if it is the S-line plastic or if the bevel/notch was intentional shaved down. You can feel the notch but it isn't as well defined as you would find on a Leopard.
I do have one thing to add for those that might be disappointed(and excited) by the shape of the disc. A lot of the Discmania test/proto discs change. I am curious to see how the stock runs come out, specifically if the the dome flattens and the leopard bevel is more pronounced.
booter
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ok so i got to throw my fd after work today for about 45 min or so til it got dark. luckily today there wasnt any wind hardly over 5mph. PERFECT! ok so since i didnt have a leo to test next to the fd i took my 172 8/10 ce taffy qjls since i know how it flies already. the fd i got is 175,moderately domed and isnt stiff nor too gummy.
first throw was uphill ,both thrown flat with my usual x step. the qj flew flat,tracked a couple feet right and then faded forward a couple feet. the fd flew flat with no turn and then faded out the last 50',very similar to an eagle x,domey later run qjls, and maybe a champ leo. taking them both to the next area was across a small creek slightly down hill about 280' with a 10' foot elevation drop aiming to hit under a big pecan tree where the basket was placed 40' behind the tree. the qj still flew straight as my buzzz's with little movement. fd flew straight for 80% of its flight then faded out the last 20% or so skipping left some. the next 2 throws were basically back up the hill to the tee i just threw from . doing my full run up and throwing about 80% i hucked the qj flat,tracked right several feet then flattened out in a tight helix landing 50' past the tee box. threw the fd the exact same way and with the fd fading out again the last 20% of the flight only a little more left than the qjls but oddly enough ,the same distance. once i was starting to get the hang of the fd on how to throw it to get more distance,the results pleased me quite a bit. the next throws were on flat ground from volley ball pit to under a bridge which is about 400' or so since last i measured it. doing my regular run up with no wind,throwing flat, i tossed the qjls about 15' off the ground tracking right about 20' or so to then have it fade back the last 20% finishing at around 355'. throwing the fd on the same line only a little harder, i got the fd to turn more this time like the qjls to do a beautiful helix to have it fade forward and settle down nicely.i will say that the glide on this thing is very river like, i was kinda hoping for wind to see how the tail wind and headwind would affect the fd . its got alot of glide and flew amazing on low lines like timko has been saying. it was easily passing the qj 25' / 30' every time i threw it . thrown on the same line they were only about 15'-20' apart from eachother side by side with the fd a lil further ahead. tossing them back towards the vb pit i was getting the hang of the fd more and more. of all my throws during the time i had,the longest was about 365/370 give or take a some feet. definitely anxious to see the production run and see if this disc gets changed any or if mine is a fluke tester.
while i only got a few sidearm throws and as my side arm isnt too clean outside of 300' ,the fd definitely bombed out there effortlessly and always came out of an intentional torqued throw. on control flicks,its straight as can be up to the last part of its flight. i cant wait to see what it does on a technical course on having to hit lines i actually need to hit.
the rim on the fd feels very roadrunner like with a thick gyroscopic rim. the flight plate isnt thin like zj said above. very dense and the dome is a clean dome all across from end to end. im not sure if mine is a freak of a fd but it flies different than how timko described his to be. this thing wasnt easy to turn like my qjls. right off the bat this fd reminded me of my heavy domey later run qjls or an eagle x. the fade of my fd is definitely more than a qjls but not overbearing like a fb and the like. i can see this thing being very workable in technical courses like an eagle x/pd . take my review with a grain of salt because im not sure all of the tester fds fly the same.
i can see the fd being as popular as the pd and even beating in as good as the pd does. only time will tell obviously but so far im liking mine.
more testing coming through out the week when i get more time with it as well as possibly getting to go to an actual course on wednesday after work. my thoughts of the mold itself are like zjs and mikes. after comparing the top to my pds,dd's ,the top is definitely not the anhyzer(pd)top . the wing is similar to the leopard but its definitely different in that its more convex and the bevel is much smaller. overall i like the feel and flight of the fd,looks like im gonna order some!
first throw was uphill ,both thrown flat with my usual x step. the qj flew flat,tracked a couple feet right and then faded forward a couple feet. the fd flew flat with no turn and then faded out the last 50',very similar to an eagle x,domey later run qjls, and maybe a champ leo. taking them both to the next area was across a small creek slightly down hill about 280' with a 10' foot elevation drop aiming to hit under a big pecan tree where the basket was placed 40' behind the tree. the qj still flew straight as my buzzz's with little movement. fd flew straight for 80% of its flight then faded out the last 20% or so skipping left some. the next 2 throws were basically back up the hill to the tee i just threw from . doing my full run up and throwing about 80% i hucked the qj flat,tracked right several feet then flattened out in a tight helix landing 50' past the tee box. threw the fd the exact same way and with the fd fading out again the last 20% of the flight only a little more left than the qjls but oddly enough ,the same distance. once i was starting to get the hang of the fd on how to throw it to get more distance,the results pleased me quite a bit. the next throws were on flat ground from volley ball pit to under a bridge which is about 400' or so since last i measured it. doing my regular run up with no wind,throwing flat, i tossed the qjls about 15' off the ground tracking right about 20' or so to then have it fade back the last 20% finishing at around 355'. throwing the fd on the same line only a little harder, i got the fd to turn more this time like the qjls to do a beautiful helix to have it fade forward and settle down nicely.i will say that the glide on this thing is very river like, i was kinda hoping for wind to see how the tail wind and headwind would affect the fd . its got alot of glide and flew amazing on low lines like timko has been saying. it was easily passing the qj 25' / 30' every time i threw it . thrown on the same line they were only about 15'-20' apart from eachother side by side with the fd a lil further ahead. tossing them back towards the vb pit i was getting the hang of the fd more and more. of all my throws during the time i had,the longest was about 365/370 give or take a some feet. definitely anxious to see the production run and see if this disc gets changed any or if mine is a fluke tester.
while i only got a few sidearm throws and as my side arm isnt too clean outside of 300' ,the fd definitely bombed out there effortlessly and always came out of an intentional torqued throw. on control flicks,its straight as can be up to the last part of its flight. i cant wait to see what it does on a technical course on having to hit lines i actually need to hit.
the rim on the fd feels very roadrunner like with a thick gyroscopic rim. the flight plate isnt thin like zj said above. very dense and the dome is a clean dome all across from end to end. im not sure if mine is a freak of a fd but it flies different than how timko described his to be. this thing wasnt easy to turn like my qjls. right off the bat this fd reminded me of my heavy domey later run qjls or an eagle x. the fade of my fd is definitely more than a qjls but not overbearing like a fb and the like. i can see this thing being very workable in technical courses like an eagle x/pd . take my review with a grain of salt because im not sure all of the tester fds fly the same.
i can see the fd being as popular as the pd and even beating in as good as the pd does. only time will tell obviously but so far im liking mine.
more testing coming through out the week when i get more time with it as well as possibly getting to go to an actual course on wednesday after work. my thoughts of the mold itself are like zjs and mikes. after comparing the top to my pds,dd's ,the top is definitely not the anhyzer(pd)top . the wing is similar to the leopard but its definitely different in that its more convex and the bevel is much smaller. overall i like the feel and flight of the fd,looks like im gonna order some!
Frank Delicious
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yo if you guys don't like the FD after testing, hit me up
this may be totally crazy but the top(dome not sure about nose) reminds me of a DX Archangel. going through my memory bank of innova pieces that was the best I could for the size of the disc. I will find out for sure when it gets compared to every innova driver we have at the warehouse
himynameismatt
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Good stuff here guys. Just need the discspeed review now before I inevitably order a half dozen.
Flick Maniac
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Sure hope they make it in P plastic as well. a P-PD is a beautiful thing. Durable, yet workable not too overstable, feels super comfortable in the hand, seasons nicely not too fast not too slow. Great stuff all in all.
On a different topic, how do you guys get your test discs? Are you all in the disc selling business or just such awesome guys that they want your opinion...? :mrgreen:
On a different topic, how do you guys get your test discs? Are you all in the disc selling business or just such awesome guys that they want your opinion...? :mrgreen:
DiscGolfTeeSigns.com
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ZJ is being modest. he is testing because he holds a prestigious position as 2nd best warehouse putter at a large retailer of aeropods. and he is a dx archangel scientist.
