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ESP Cyclone - home for wayward gazelle throwers
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JR
* Ace Member *
The other TP Cyclone i have has an ace in Finland 
They are x outs and the non ace one is a cyclone graphic stamp Glo. Both are way way flippier than the new Gazelle like ESP Cyclone i have.
They are x outs and the non ace one is a cyclone graphic stamp Glo. Both are way way flippier than the new Gazelle like ESP Cyclone i have.
HeartlessCynic
* Ace Member *
Does this stability list look right to any one else?
Most Stable ------------Least Stable
Heavy ESP > Pro D > X > Lighter ESP
I loved the stability of my Pro D and they were handy in the winter for the better grip but I wanted something more durable for the warm seasons. I thought I could get a little less stability and more glide by buying my ESP a little lighter. My lighter ESP came out way less stable than my heavies, I was wondering if it is the weight or just mold inconsistency and I had been lucky on all of my heavies.
Most Stable ------------Least Stable
Heavy ESP > Pro D > X > Lighter ESP
I loved the stability of my Pro D and they were handy in the winter for the better grip but I wanted something more durable for the warm seasons. I thought I could get a little less stability and more glide by buying my ESP a little lighter. My lighter ESP came out way less stable than my heavies, I was wondering if it is the weight or just mold inconsistency and I had been lucky on all of my heavies.
NoLifeLeft said:
I've wondered about that myself. I've gotten two versions of the same disc in the same plastic....the only difference was the weight. There was a noticeable difference in stability and I had a hard time believing that was the only reason for flipcity. I've throwing 150 flicks and 170 & 175 weights and they were stable in each weight. Maybe I just got a bad one then.
BrantC
Par Member
I have a 170g ESP Cyclone that's beefier than my 170g X Cyclone. Not sure what qualifies as "Lighter ESP", but wanted to throw that in.
Just scored this old-school beauty for free, I don't really know anything about it other than its still very stable and in excellent condition to the eye. 8) 8) 8) My first throw with it was laser straight bomb in the field. Haven't used in on the course yet....
*EDIT* Sorry for the giant picture.
*EDIT* Sorry for the giant picture.
peppermack
Double Eagle Member
So I am in love with my ESP cyclones. Do I need to get some in other plastics as well? i am playing so infrequently right now that I am throwing my ESP Cyclones most of the time off the Tee cause it is the only thing I can get up to speed right now and am consistent with. So some of you cyclone specialist give me the 411.
booter
* Ace Member *
U could try hunting for tps but i think u should buy the remainder of esp clones in my fs thread pep
peppermack
Double Eagle Member
I've been seriously considering it Booter.
peppermack said:
Depending on how often you throw your ESP Cyclones and how stable they are....I would consider throwing a X Cyclone. There are subtle differences between the two that I like. My X is a little less stable and I use it to throw uphills for that little extra turn.
peppermack
Double Eagle Member
Sean40474 said:
Thanks for the input, that is what I was thinking and wanting! I think I will get a few X clones and maybe some more of booters Clones too
Timko
* Ace Member *
Someone should buy my Ron Russell Cyclones on my sale list. $30 shipped for the pair (which are basically new) is a pretty good deal, plus I thrown in a thrashed one.
JR
* Ace Member *
Mine is a hog but it doesn't penetrate headwinds. My best Buzzz shot went as far as the longest ESP Cyclone toss. With obvious hard fade of the Cyclone. This is the evil twin of the x out TP Cyclone pair i have. TP flips big time and i can't keep the ESP straight or in the air because it won't glide and much worse is so mega LSS that it will fade out early and tilt fast and drop hard. Even annied releases don't make it a lot longer thanks to the lack of glide. What a brick! Not my idea of a straight tunnel disc for sure even thrown at face level. For reference no wind shot of Westside 166,5 King with an s-curve to 420' with skip in 37F.
JR said:
That disc is money! Just be patient and let it wear. You have to beat the glide into it, and it'll give you plenty (it'll beg for more!). While it is still over-stable, you can enjoy using it for power flex shots around steep obstacles, left dogleg fades, and the like. Also, like many old school molds, the Cyclone responds very well to spin-dominant flight...get your wrist in front of that bitch and spin the hell out of it.
JR said:
Not yet. After you beat the glide into it, you'll be able to put it on a very slight anny for a little gradual left-right journey down a long 3 m wide tunnel with a gentle landing and skip back to the left side of the fairway at the end. Or just throw a Roadrunner for tunnels, like most everybody else.
Timko
* Ace Member *
Sean40474 said:
The RR's had a bit more HSS than the TPs. They fly similar to the flatter ESPs of today with a bit more glide.
JR
* Ace Member *
JHern said:
I don't doubt any of that happening but with the attempts of beating it in failing thanks to the stiffest ESP blend i've ever encountered that ain't gonna happen overnight. Abuse time it is. There are better utility discs for going around obstacles and i have plenty of them. Even those that don't need powering down. Like Champion Banshee and GL XXX. RR hasn't been the best tunnel disc for me lat season ia haven't thrown it yet this season after the snow melted from one practice area alone. RR is too flippy for my taste especially in the winds but i need to retest mine and compare it to the other flippy disc S TD. Light Northmen are shorter but seem to be more HSS and around equally LSS for me but Beasts did it for me last season. With a form tweak test yesterday i finally didn't flip Rancheros and for some reason Beasts and Flows act more LSS to me so it limits their tunnel abilities :-( I hope i can reconnect with the RR or S TD and make them work in the wind. I seem to be turning over Leos too easily. I need to remove flash from MD2, Squall and Opto River to see what happens then because at the moment each of them may be better and easier to break in than that super stiff ESP Cyclone with the flat top. Compared to TP anyway, it ain't Flick flat topped.
If i could beat any of my PDs to straight or get one of those harder to find no fade P PDs... They would be a distance jump too wide over the Stalker/Leo range that is only a few feet more than Sabre or Squall shots. I have more testing to do to decide on my bag. Sabre is too inconsistent with D based on how high i throw it and the lack of wind tolerance and i didn't throw the Squall yesterday with the modified form to see if holds up better in HSS. The last time i threw it it was at the mercy of the winds. And i'd like to avoid situational discs as much as possible. That's why RR and S TD need more practice. They are the most dependable on calm days but not so much on windy days.
Working Stiff
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It was just a Cyclone run in a base plastic as opposed to TP. They didn't dome up like the TP's. They were really flippy, and the ones I had were made in a really crappy waxy plastic that got thrashed in no time. I used them for a short time for turnovers/rollers, but after I built up a stash of broken-in Cyclones I didn't need them anymore.Sean40474 said:
cfair
* Ace Member *
I picked up a green 171 ESP Cyclone that I am very happy with. Kinda lets me throw it like a mid but learn nose down. Fun disc so far.
