rehder said:
you could go out in a field and put your body into exactly the same positions as he does going in sequence through the throw, but your throw will probably be total crap.
If you did that your throw would bomb. People think they get in the same positions, but when you film them, you see that it doesnt look anything like Averys throw,because they arent getting in the same positions.
I disagree. The point is that it is more than position, it is where the effort going into the throw is coming from.
Maybe I can put this in physics-speak to illustrate what I mean in a more precise way. Power is work performed per unit time. Work is the amount of energy we can give to the disc in performing the throw. Clearly, we want to get the most work out of the throwing motion as possible. Now, an increment of work
dW is the scalar product of force
F and increment in position
dr, or,
dW=
F.
dr
Work is a scalar, so I use italics, while force and position are vectors, denoted in bold. Clearly, there are two parts here. You can take the disc through the same set of positions, through increments of motion
dr, but if
F is not optimally applied to the various increments of position changes, then you get less total work, and less power.
So what I meant by "feel" is then equated with what I mean here by "force" and particularly where and how "force" is applied to the disc's motion. And force is not simple in this case, either. You can technically apply force to a lot of the motions of a backhand throw using different proportions of power from a variety of totally distinct muscle groups, even when going through the exact same positions. Some muscle groups are very ineffective, while others are very powerful.
That being said, if you've never been in a strong-arm trap like me or some of the other guys who posted their frustrations on this thread, then you're: 1) fortunate to have missed out on that rather unpleasant experience and 2) probably not going to understand why I'm making a big deal out of this. In fact, not much of this discussion will matter to you at all. And if what I've discovered (which I believe has helped me personally break well through the 300' barrier) can be shared with others who I think are in a similar situation, and this can also help them get over the hump, then why would you want to say that what I'm talking about by emphasizing feel (at least for the time being, to overcome strong-arming) is wrong, or that they shouldn't care about the "feel" of the throw?
Finally, I never said position isn't important. My point is that you can't do this well just by considering position alone.